Roddenberry calls Wrath embarrassing
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I purchased David Gerrold's The World of Star Trek soon after it came out in 1973. He was very clear about the contributions of Coon* (and others) to the episodes generally regarded as the superior ones. I would assume that many fans during the period before TMP (and, of course, before the internet) were similarly well informed, if they wanted to be, about what went on behind the scenes at Desilu and Paramount in the '60s.
*Gerrold also mentioned Coon's predilection for including Bible references, such as the "lilies of the field" line added to his own "Tribbles" script, or the "Judas goat" line in "Metamorphosis."
Even James Horner wasn't crazy about the idea, although I think it was a great choice.
I'd love to see the version of the script that prompted Roddenberry's letter. I'm sure it's a lot different from the final version, but it's interesting that the one scene that Roddenberry highlighted as particularly bad made it largely intact to the film.
I think I heard this before.
He was like the only person I've ever seen who preferred the Motion Picture and didn't like the later films at all.
Wasn't his idea on the second movie going to involve some bizarre time travel murder plot on Earth? Like killing Hitler or something like that?
Roddenberry obviously didn't much care for the Trek that became a lot more popular.
He was like the only person I've ever seen who preferred the Motion Picture and didn't like the later films at all.
Wasn't his idea on the second movie going to involve some bizarre time travel murder plot on Earth? Like killing Hitler or something like that?
Roddenberry obviously didn't much care for the Trek that became a lot more popular.
Shatner, Kelley, and Doohan nailed it in that scene.
Spock on the grassy knoll.
Trek was pretty popular. Or else there wouldn't have been a TWOK to begin with.
What I meant was, of course TOS Trek was popular, but the later films is pretty much what elevated to the popular culture, where even mainstream audiences could get more into it.
TOS was fairly relevant to the pop-culture of the 70's...
That was seven or eight years after TOS was cancelled.
He was?? He sure overcame it, because his orchestral Amazing Grace that segues from the bagpipes is one of the best pieces of music from any Trek film.
According to her interview in Return to Tomorrow, Khambatta had been clear before she signed on that she would not appear nude in the film. But, even if it was obscured in the final product, she did not even want to be naked on the set to shoot the shower scene. Roddenberry said it was necessary or the shot wouldn't work. So she had a body suit made. GR said that the body suit wasn't good enough, it wasn't anatomically correct. So they sewed on buttons for nipples. Still wasn't real enough for GR. Finally Bob Wise put an end to the matter, saying "If she's bald up there, she's bald down there." For which she was extremely grateful.
GR stayed true to his horndog nature, even to the end.
This all confirms why I asked the question. Gene Roddenberry did want Khambatta to do full frontal in TMP.
I was thinking just something like in STID.
Oh yeah, he did an amazing job with that piece. Here's the relevant quote from the liner notes to the Expanded Edition of the TWOK score:
I think it would have been interesting to see that idea for a movie were it speculates that Jesus was a alien designed to influence humans and as humanity evolved it would create a new savior myth to deal with the changes in the culture but something goes wrong and they create a new Jesus. At some point Kirk ends up fighting Jesus. Not sure if that was a Roddenberry idea or not. It might have been one of the other writers connected to TMP.
Jason
Jason
I know religion is on the wane but I can't see any mainstream movie doing anything like this for years. Can see churches banning it etc. Too in your face.
Then again there;s the Da Vinci code.
