Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Sounded like a statement of fact to me.
Sounded like a statement of fact to me.
Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Nimoy in Star Trek 3
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Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
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Just as I did not want to see cameos by Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan in Skyfall (another 50th anniversary), I don't want to see cameos of the "original cast". In each case, Bond and Trek, I have enjoyed every iteration (some more than others, but I've seen and liked them all), but I want them to move forward, not backward.
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Just as I did not want to see cameos by Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton and Brosnan in Skyfall (another 50th anniversary), I don't want to see cameos of the "original cast". In each case, Bond and Trek, I have enjoyed every iteration (some more than others, but I've seen and liked them all), but I want them to move forward, not backward.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
To avoid yet another time travel conundrum, I envision the rumoured Shatner/Nimoy scene taking place in-verse, but years later when Kirk and Spock are now older... More of an epilogue at the end of the movie.. Two old friends looking back on their lives/careers in retrospective. Or it could be done as a prologue, with the two referencing past events that unfold during the heart of the movie...
In this instance, Nimoy would not be playing Spock Prime, but Quinto's Spock as an old Vulcan.
To avoid yet another time travel conundrum, I envision the rumoured Shatner/Nimoy scene taking place in-verse, but years later when Kirk and Spock are now older... More of an epilogue at the end of the movie.. Two old friends looking back on their lives/careers in retrospective. Or it could be done as a prologue, with the two referencing past events that unfold during the heart of the movie...
In this instance, Nimoy would not be playing Spock Prime, but Quinto's Spock as an old Vulcan.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Even though I never met the man, I will likely mourn Shatner's passing like he was a member of the family. Captain Kirk was that important to me during my formative years, more so than my own father.
But I don't want Shatner and Nimoy in these films, I wasn't keen on having Nimoy in Star Trek Into Darkness. Shatner will always be Captain Kirk to me, but his day is over. Pine and Quinto carry the roles now and I want them to strut their stuff without the old guard hanging around.
Even though I never met the man, I will likely mourn Shatner's passing like he was a member of the family. Captain Kirk was that important to me during my formative years, more so than my own father.
But I don't want Shatner and Nimoy in these films, I wasn't keen on having Nimoy in Star Trek Into Darkness. Shatner will always be Captain Kirk to me, but his day is over. Pine and Quinto carry the roles now and I want them to strut their stuff without the old guard hanging around.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
No matter how successful these films are, to the public at large, Kirk and Spock will always be Shatner and Nimoy. That's not to say people won't accept other actors in the roles -- they clearly have. But when you say "Captain Kirk," people do not think of Chris Pine. They think of William Shatner. And likely always will.
Given the enormous recognition that these two have among the public, and the fact that their cameos combined with the 50th anniversary would generate enormous buzz, both positive and negative, I find it very likely the cameos will happen.
No matter how successful these films are, to the public at large, Kirk and Spock will always be Shatner and Nimoy. That's not to say people won't accept other actors in the roles -- they clearly have. But when you say "Captain Kirk," people do not think of Chris Pine. They think of William Shatner. And likely always will.
Given the enormous recognition that these two have among the public, and the fact that their cameos combined with the 50th anniversary would generate enormous buzz, both positive and negative, I find it very likely the cameos will happen.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
That "Deadly Years" idea someone posted months ago might make for a fun prologue where we see a few minutes of Shatner and Nimoy before they're cured and become Pine and Quinto before the title card, but more than that? No thanks.
That "Deadly Years" idea someone posted months ago might make for a fun prologue where we see a few minutes of Shatner and Nimoy before they're cured and become Pine and Quinto before the title card, but more than that? No thanks.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Probably the ONLY way their appearance could be justified, both "in-universe" and in real life. But I'd still rather not have them there.
Probably the ONLY way their appearance could be justified, both "in-universe" and in real life. But I'd still rather not have them there.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
If the crew is going to age, then it would be justified in a way, but if one takes the next logical step, then Nichols goes in for Saldana and Takei for Cho. That makes it all seem contrived.
And if it was just Shatner and Nimoy, how weird would it be to have them in as their real aged characters beside the "age-enhanced" Pegg, Cho, Saldana, and Urban?
Nah. Doesn't even work there.
If the crew is going to age, then it would be justified in a way, but if one takes the next logical step, then Nichols goes in for Saldana and Takei for Cho. That makes it all seem contrived.
And if it was just Shatner and Nimoy, how weird would it be to have them in as their real aged characters beside the "age-enhanced" Pegg, Cho, Saldana, and Urban?
Nah. Doesn't even work there.
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Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
That would make for a nice little gag/homage combo.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
"Gag" as in what version of the word?
"Gag" as in what version of the word?
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Just have it be something that only affects Kirk and Spock.
Just have it be something that only affects Kirk and Spock.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Something like the above would be fun as separate promotional material for the film. A fifteen minute webisode, that would be basically the last fifteen minutes of "The Deadly Years" with some tweaks.
Something like the above would be fun as separate promotional material for the film. A fifteen minute webisode, that would be basically the last fifteen minutes of "The Deadly Years" with some tweaks.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
That's actually not a half bad idea...
That's actually not a half bad idea...
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
JJ was aware of all the lens-flare blowback. Don't assume he's oblivious to it. Also don't assume that Orci would do things purely for fan-service. If Orci wants to do it, and fans want to do it, it's probably more of a coincidence than Orci specifically wanting to please the fans. Orci seems to want to get involved in the flamewars just for the drama. If he thinks along the way he'll smother all criticism, he's deluded.
As to having the guts to try something different, I've got no problem with that, but it doesn't mean it's better because it's different. It still has to win me over, and I didn't like most of JJ's ideas, nor what is attributable to Orci's writing.
JJ was aware of all the lens-flare blowback. Don't assume he's oblivious to it. Also don't assume that Orci would do things purely for fan-service. If Orci wants to do it, and fans want to do it, it's probably more of a coincidence than Orci specifically wanting to please the fans. Orci seems to want to get involved in the flamewars just for the drama. If he thinks along the way he'll smother all criticism, he's deluded.
As to having the guts to try something different, I've got no problem with that, but it doesn't mean it's better because it's different. It still has to win me over, and I didn't like most of JJ's ideas, nor what is attributable to Orci's writing.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
Could be a good tie in for the next film, something akin to "River Tam Sessions" (or whatever it was called) before Serenity came out.
Heck, if the nuTrek crew (and recently, the old Trek crew) will do commercials for outside products, doing a short tie in for film promotion should be easy.
Could be a good tie in for the next film, something akin to "River Tam Sessions" (or whatever it was called) before Serenity came out.
Heck, if the nuTrek crew (and recently, the old Trek crew) will do commercials for outside products, doing a short tie in for film promotion should be easy.
Re: Roberto Orci want both Shatner and Limoy in Star Trek 3
CG? an opening scene set just after TUC? (don't know how it could fit into the movie though)
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