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Rinse and repeat. Episode 1: TimeSquared vs Cause And Effect

Which is the better ep?

  • Time Squared

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Cause and Effect

    Votes: 9 64.3%

  • Total voters
    14

Qonundrum

Just graduated from Camp Ridiculous
Premium Member
In this new series of posts, I will be comparing briefly similarly-themed episodes and wondering what others think.

This time around, we have season 2's "Time Squared" and season 5's "Cause and Effect". Both involve looping in time. Both are by and large cleverly written, whose nitpicks are miniscule. Both have special guest appearances by someone. Both cost more than $1 million each to make. And despite that, both look very beige.

I would lean toward "Cause and Effect" (CnE) mostly because we see the time loop phenomenon from the inside looking out. That was pretty cool.

On the other hand, "Time Squared" (TSQ) gets resolved the first time around, whereas C&E had them stuck for a couple of weeks (and the poor Bozeman was stuck there for several decades.)

TSQ required a space critter to get the sequence rolling. CnE had a more plausible spatial anomaly.

TSQ had a wonderful sense of suspense. CnE got boring after a while.

TSQ was influenced by Doctor Who's episode "The Space Museum". CnE was influenced by the allegedly funny 1989 Lifecall commercial where Mrs Fletcher (the first or second of four actresses playing the role) had fallen and couldn't get up.

TSQ was resolved with wits. CnE has the magical technobabble of the week where they can even communicate and hope Data figures it out, while wondering where Wesley was because he would have solved it all even before the first loop took place. :/

TSQ was still more traditional, CnE clearly took the trope from a new perspective and is considerably fresh, even if it does wear on by the third or fourth act...

TSQ keeps one wondering how they'll get out of it despite repetition of the cliché of "That should have worked." "Okay, try the opposite doodley." "Hey wow, that works." While CnE leads the viewer along with a leash, it's more subtly done. But at the same time, the boredom settling in puts the kibosh on "Okay, how will they get out of this one?"

TSQ feels more rewatchable because it works on all levels. Had CnE not gotten boring, lots of nuances would be picked up on in rewatchings.

On the minus side, TSQ doesn't have Ensign Ro in it. CnE does.

On the minus side of that, Ro isn't allowed to do much of anything in this story.

While my vote is ultimately for TSQ, it''s not to say CnE is bad. Not by any means, it's a standout in season 5. Both are pretty fantastic on their own merits. With that context, even the nitpicks I brought up aren't too terribly bad.
 
Not a fair comparison IMHO. Show doesnt really start going til just after time squared.. Even Troi and Pulask in in T Squared are way out of character in their whole that Captain aint my Captain speech.. The dialogue would be minimal in the next seasons. Cause and Effect would easily win.. But would be cool for a follow up show of either before All Good Things.. Thats the enterprise D for ya. "Just my chick for The next 40 mins" haha.
 
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Well, I'm not really in agreement with much of what you wrote, but since this seems to be just an opinion piece, I'll let it stand. However:

TSQ was influenced by Doctor Who's episode "The Space Museum". CnE was influenced by the allegedly funny 1989 Lifecall commercial where Mrs Fletcher (the first or second of four actresses playing the role) had fallen and couldn't get up.

I'm not sure if you were just trying to be funny, but that statement is not at all correct.
 
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Well, I'm not really in agreement with much of what you wrote, but since this seems to be just an opinion piece, I'll let it stand, However:
I'm not sure if you were just trying to be funny, but that statement is not at all correct.

:)

Well, not the whole story of course, but TSQ and Doctor Who's The Space Museum (pt 1) both discuss seeing the future and over-thinking the process of how to get around their future selves. In reality, that's more than likely a mere coincidence, though TNG having a lot of nods and winks with DW-related in-jokes one has to wonder at times... :)
 
You forgot to add that Time Squared has the scrambled eggs opening scene and the first running gag with Worf saying "Delicious" while nobody else is enjoying the food.

Also, in later episodes, the painting that Data is working on and "never quite felt finished" is the time funnel effect from this episode.
 
In this new series of posts, I will be comparing briefly similarly-themed episodes and wondering what others think.

This time around, we have season 2's "Time Squared" and season 5's "Cause and Effect". Both involve looping in time. Both are by and large cleverly written, whose nitpicks are miniscule. Both have special guest appearances by someone. Both cost more than $1 million each to make. And despite that, both look very beige.

I would lean toward "Cause and Effect" (CnE) mostly because we see the time loop phenomenon from the inside looking out. That was pretty cool.

On the other hand, "Time Squared" (TSQ) gets resolved the first time around, whereas C&E had them stuck for a couple of weeks (and the poor Bozeman was stuck there for several decades.)

TSQ required a space critter to get the sequence rolling. CnE had a more plausible spatial anomaly.

TSQ had a wonderful sense of suspense. CnE got boring after a while.

TSQ was influenced by Doctor Who's episode "The Space Museum". CnE was influenced by the allegedly funny 1989 Lifecall commercial where Mrs Fletcher (the first or second of four actresses playing the role) had fallen and couldn't get up.

TSQ was resolved with wits. CnE has the magical technobabble of the week where they can even communicate and hope Data figures it out, while wondering where Wesley was because he would have solved it all even before the first loop took place. :/

TSQ was still more traditional, CnE clearly took the trope from a new perspective and is considerably fresh, even if it does wear on by the third or fourth act...

TSQ keeps one wondering how they'll get out of it despite repetition of the cliché of "That should have worked." "Okay, try the opposite doodley." "Hey wow, that works." While CnE leads the viewer along with a leash, it's more subtly done. But at the same time, the boredom settling in puts the kibosh on "Okay, how will they get out of this one?"

TSQ feels more rewatchable because it works on all levels. Had CnE not gotten boring, lots of nuances would be picked up on in rewatchings.

On the minus side, TSQ doesn't have Ensign Ro in it. CnE does.

On the minus side of that, Ro isn't allowed to do much of anything in this story.

While my vote is ultimately for TSQ, it''s not to say CnE is bad. Not by any means, it's a standout in season 5. Both are pretty fantastic on their own merits. With that context, even the nitpicks I brought up aren't too terribly bad.

Although 2 Picards sounds nice I liked Cause and Effect a little better.
But it was later in the series so it had a more polished feel.
I loved Pulaski and wished that she had stayed in the series.
 
I think they are both good episodes with some glaring errors. I like the ship getting thrown around and these curious time oddities. I like Picard trying to come to terms with his strange double. I like how the spiral of destruction is portrayed in C & E. I do think C & E was a little more vanilla than TQ but TQ is not fleshed out properly and it concluded clumsily whereas C&E is a more well rounded episode. The Bozeman evoking memories of the movie era is nice.

Although I do think both episodes are worthy in their own right. They do have one byproduct that I don't like. Namely the ship getting blown up virtually every season or so which makes this somewhat old hat. The tragedy of Enterprise getting destroyed in STIII was a unique thing but when you do it too much it's no longer an occasion. It's a bit like the constant use of time travel and the borg.
 
Cause and Effect sold its inconsistent bits better than Time Squared did. Cause and Effect has its well documented problems with the decompression solution, the strangeness of how the Bozeman crashed the first time, and unanswered questions about why it didn't occur to the crew to randomize their trajectory. But they SELL it so it makes sense on the surface when you don't think about it too much. It effectively distracts you from these things with nifty stuff about voices and playing cards.

Time Squared doesn't pull the curtain over itself as well. The "Being out of phase causes things to happen opposite" thing doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense that Picard needs his duplicate to talk about going forward to think of it as a second option, and at the end Picard straight up murders himself. And it doesn't have as many entertaining bits to distract you from the problems.
 
Loved "Time Squared", lost interest in "Cause and Effect" the second time the Enterprise blows up. :shrug:
 
In a fight to the death? Cause and Effect's time-rift would destroy the time-pitcherplant.
 
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