Ridiculously large ships

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by Rayleo02, May 15, 2018.

  1. Rayleo02

    Rayleo02 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    If the official specs are to be believed the JJprise is 725 M long (which is longer than a Galaxy class ship by the way.) and the Vengeance is about 2-3 times as long that means its longer than the prime timelines Enterprise (1701-F) from 2409 1 and 1/2 centuries later. How can Starfleet in the 23 century possibly have the resources to support a fleet of ships this size?
     
  2. The Wormhole

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  3. King Daniel Beyond

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    Because they have infinite clean energy?
    Including the Prime Universe, where 750m ships are the norm 10 years prior to TOS.:p
     
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    Size does not equal technological advancement. No reason star fleet can't decide to build one 700 meter ship instead of two 350 meter ones (which is about the size of modern aircraft carrier)
     
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  5. fireproof78

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    Why can't they? Just because they haven't done it before doesn't indicate a lack of capability.
     
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  6. DonIago

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    Considering they were able to build Yorktown, building the E almost seems like child's play by comparison.
     
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    Minerals in the asteroid belt would be more than enough to build a massive fleet of ship at that size (750m).

    As far as ships getting smaller? Technology shrinks as it evolves. The same size ship in 2254 holds 200 crew, then 430 in 2265.
     
  9. pst

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    what do we even consider to be ridiculous in a universe with the kinds of technological and biological miracles as the star trek universe of any timeline, anyway?
     
  10. The Wormhole

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    If there's something we don't like, we declare it ridiculous. Or an obscenity. Some may say it violates Gene's Vision, but you need to believe in such a thing for that to work.
     
  11. fireproof78

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    Here, this is for later if the topic comes up:
    [​IMG]
     
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  12. Gepard

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    Giant ships.

    Redesigned Enterprise.

    Leading zeroes.
     
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    It's not the size of the Starship, but the efficiency of your warp core.....

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    I can't see how it possibly can matter since ship size is never brought up in the narrative of the story. It's not like they're 5 miles long. Trek fans are just pedants in the extreme. Viewscreen windows being the most ridiculous complaint of all time.
     
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    was browsing artstation.com and just stumbled upon this matte painting from star trek 2009 depicting the (potentially ridiculously large) bud-gineering interior:
    [​IMG]
    there's lot of goodies like this from the KT films on there if you can suss out fan art from actual production artists.
     
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    I've been wanting to see that for years! Thank you!!!
     
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  17. ItIsGreen

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    I couldn't give a toss how big a particular ship is, what bothers me is when they're not in scale with each other. They could say the DS9 Defiant is a mile long if they like, as long as all other ships are in scale. Pulls me right out of it when they muck stuff like that up.
     
  18. The Wormhole

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    You must get pulled right out of Star Trek a lot.
     
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  19. ItIsGreen

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    Word.
     
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  20. M'Sharak

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    What reasons would you say there are for disbelieving the official specs?

    Okay.

    No idea. With the possible exception of the War arc in DS9 or maybe "Yesterday's Enterprise," has the topic of resources required to support a fleet of any size ships ever been explored in any detail on-screen, in any episode or movie?

    What would be the difference in resource requirements between, say, that of a fleet of Kelvin-timeline ships and that of a fleet of TOS-era ships?

    Same question, but compare Kelvin-timeline fleet vs TNG-era fleet?

    TOS-era fleet vs the significantly smaller ships and crew complements implied by dialogue in "The Cage"?

    Finally: are these really "Ridiculously large ships," or are they simply no longer impractically undersized/undermanned for purposes of prolonged tours-of-duty frequently involving interstellar travel?