Rey in The Force Awakens (Possible Spoilers)
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I figured if Poe and Finn fall in love she might go for a rainbow-colored one to support their right to get married.
Seriously, though: I wouldn't mind if she kept the blue one even though always preferred Luke's green one. If it has to be another color I'd vote for dark purple. Like Mace Windu's sword. Yellow would just look odd, wouldn't it?
Seriously, though: I wouldn't mind if she kept the blue one even though always preferred Luke's green one. If it has to be another color I'd vote for dark purple. Like Mace Windu's sword. Yellow would just look odd, wouldn't it?
I was reminded of the duel in AOTC between Anakin and Dooku, with the flickering red & blue lighting - which I thought was visually quite interesting, but unfortunately doesn't advance the story any. In TFA, the visuals were actually better, and also advanced the plot.
Yellow would be for a Protector type. Like she's there to protect the future of he Force, rather than be a Councilor (green) or a Guardian (blue) type. Purple would be if she's able to balance the light and dark side of her nature (also fit as the proxy for Mara Jade or Jaina Solo). White would show she's not just a Jedi, but something else.
There are many colors. Some have meaning, other don't.
I would think it interesting to see the flashy PT style lightsaber style again out of Kylo Ren after being trained by Snoke while Rey uses the OT style learned from Luke. Then see how they square off. Ren with his Form II and III flashiness against Rey's Form V. Though I wonder if they will have to change things up to suit the actress' physical abilities. Form V was the power fighting style of Vader and Luke. Lots of heavy hitting and slamming of lightsabers together. Luke's beating on Vader on the Death Star was one example. The two handed overhead chops. Form II and III tended to have more one handed fighting or acrobatics to keep the user moving or more easily defendable with less energy used (Kenobi was suppose to be the best defensive fighter in the Order, while Anakin was one of the best Offensive fighters in the Order, which is why they made a great team).
There are many colors. Some have meaning, other don't.
I would think it interesting to see the flashy PT style lightsaber style again out of Kylo Ren after being trained by Snoke while Rey uses the OT style learned from Luke. Then see how they square off. Ren with his Form II and III flashiness against Rey's Form V. Though I wonder if they will have to change things up to suit the actress' physical abilities. Form V was the power fighting style of Vader and Luke. Lots of heavy hitting and slamming of lightsabers together. Luke's beating on Vader on the Death Star was one example. The two handed overhead chops. Form II and III tended to have more one handed fighting or acrobatics to keep the user moving or more easily defendable with less energy used (Kenobi was suppose to be the best defensive fighter in the Order, while Anakin was one of the best Offensive fighters in the Order, which is why they made a great team).
EDIT: Never mind, I thought this was Rae and Finn, oopsy
Only Samuel L. Jackson was awesome enough to have a purple lightsaber, he requested it and was allowed to keep it. I have no desireto see a yellow lightsaber, gree and blue for the Jedi and red for the Sith or Stih wantabes is good enough. Although I thought up a rotating colored one, red, green, blue. Anf the more I think about it a white one might be interesting.
Hey, I liked the stylized fighting in the prequels. Sure the Obi-Wan/Anakin "The Duel" was overdone (and not as emotionally wrought as the ANH battle) but The Phantom Menace's "Duel of the Fates" was one of the best lightsaber battles in the whole saga. I mean I can see there being a stylized, almost dance between duelists who are properly trained. By the time of the OT and now TFA, you're dealing with a lot of old (Kenobi), robotic (Vader), and raw and novice lightsaber wielders (early Luke and basically everyone else).
Perhaps there is more of a mental and physical aspect to the OT and TFA fights because of lack of training. It's more rugged, less polished. More brutal. I mean the high civilization of the Old Republic had been displaced, suppressed, or burned away by that time.
The Anakin/Obi-Wan duel iin Ep. III is still my favorite, the two were very emotion during the fight and it involved mroe than just swordplay, there were plenty of hits and kicks. tehir duel in ANH brought some symmetry to the one in Ep. III I'm sure that Rey and Ren's next encounter will be a more emotional one as well.
My issue with the Episode 3 battle was that it went on too long and Lucas went overboard in trying to make it epic. While some of the dialogue wasn't the best, I did think both guys gave it their all in delivering it. There was some great emotion, especially with Obi-Wan ("You were the Chosen One!"; I love that line). One thing that bothered me about the fight was I wish that Obi-Wan was more back on his heels, had gotten injured or hurt, this was the battle of his life against a Vader probably at his prime.
Looking at Episode 4's battle in light of Episode 3 you can feel the passage of time, and how its worn both men down.
I had been intrigued about "The Duel" ever since I read the Star Wars novelization back in the day. However I wound up liking the unexpected Yoda/Sidious battle a lot more.
I really liked the two duels were done at the same time and Williams reused Duel Of The Fates for the Yoda/Palpatine duel and Battle Of The Heroes for the other one and blended them together. I had wondered why Yoda and Obi-Wan needed Luke in the first place, since they were clearly more powerful and skillful than Luke and thanks to Ep. III we know the answer.
That's pretty much shown in her vision/flashback on Takodana. The destruction of the Jedi Temple, her being left on Jakku, and then a premonition of her lightsaber battle on Starkiller Base. The latter two are explicitly from her own POV so it doesn't make much sense that she'd have an unrelated vision of the burning of the Temple unless she was there. Plus she has crazy Jedi powers on par with Kylo, so she must have had Jedi training at some point.
As cool as the more "epic" looking fights are in the PT, they are a bit silly because it doesn't look like two people fighting it looks like people playing around trying to look cool.
Hey, I liked the "dueling fates" scene in TPM (probably the only good thing about it) but it was more certain beats in it than the overall fight itself. Like when Maul uses the force to fling something at a panel to open a door or something; and then some forcefields block him and Qui-Gon and Maul paces back and forth raging while Qui-Gon meditates. There's other beats like that. Then Maul eventually has Obi-Won defeated and instead of finishing off Obi-Won he decides the flourish his saber against the ground giving Obi-Won opportunity to Force-Leap to a victory.
The battle in ROTS between Obi-Won and Anakin is ruined by the ridiculousness of them on those hovercraft-things over the lava, the dialogue and just other things that were there that made the whole thing look and feel silly as opposed to dramatic. That and it being tense is predicated on the notion that Anakin's "turn" is a dramatic, surprising, thing that's shocking to Obi-Won's notion of Anakin being the "chosen one" when in actuality Anakin's been a whiny punk the entire time and there was never any indication Obi-Won bought into Anakin being the "chosen one" and them being friends or anything more than "teacher/student" is never seen.
So... the drama is sucked out of it because the Prequels failed to build up to the moment to make it matter.
Hey, I liked the "dueling fates" scene in TPM (probably the only good thing about it) but it was more certain beats in it than the overall fight itself. Like when Maul uses the force to fling something at a panel to open a door or something; and then some forcefields block him and Qui-Gon and Maul paces back and forth raging while Qui-Gon meditates. There's other beats like that. Then Maul eventually has Obi-Won defeated and instead of finishing off Obi-Won he decides the flourish his saber against the ground giving Obi-Won opportunity to Force-Leap to a victory.
The battle in ROTS between Obi-Won and Anakin is ruined by the ridiculousness of them on those hovercraft-things over the lava, the dialogue and just other things that were there that made the whole thing look and feel silly as opposed to dramatic. That and it being tense is predicated on the notion that Anakin's "turn" is a dramatic, surprising, thing that's shocking to Obi-Won's notion of Anakin being the "chosen one" when in actuality Anakin's been a whiny punk the entire time and there was never any indication Obi-Won bought into Anakin being the "chosen one" and them being friends or anything more than "teacher/student" is never seen.
So... the drama is sucked out of it because the Prequels failed to build up to the moment to make it matter.
I rather liked the scenes of Anakin and Obi-Wan battling on the lava flow, they weren't going allow anything to get the way of their fight. The duel between Rey and Ren needed just as work I'm sure as any of the ones in the PRequels. Althogh Ewan and Hayden went though five costume changes as their battle progressed.
I liked seeing full fedged Jedi in action, I love the stylized swordfights. Those kind swordfights are what made Into The Badlands such a great show, at least to me. I'm sure the duels in the next two movies will be more intense and dramatic and stylized even they don't look as such.
I liked seeing full fedged Jedi in action, I love the stylized swordfights. Those kind swordfights are what made Into The Badlands such a great show, at least to me. I'm sure the duels in the next two movies will be more intense and dramatic and stylized even they don't look as such.
The neat thing about the PT is that it did give us a different, almost hyperbolic visual style. It's almost as if the story is being told with a (albeit flawed) mythical flourish.
Granted, that's a generous interpretation of the PT, but I think the closer the ST hews to the OT (and maybe surpasses it in terms of gritter, more realistic - or, at least plausible - presentations), the more there'll be an appreciation for the contrasting ambition of what the PT tried to accomplish and present.
Or, in other words, the more the ST tries to emulate the OT, the more I'm glad the PT was presented the way it was. It provides a different perspective in its depiction of what was, clearly, an overly superficial time during the last days of the Old Republic.
Granted, that's a generous interpretation of the PT, but I think the closer the ST hews to the OT (and maybe surpasses it in terms of gritter, more realistic - or, at least plausible - presentations), the more there'll be an appreciation for the contrasting ambition of what the PT tried to accomplish and present.
Or, in other words, the more the ST tries to emulate the OT, the more I'm glad the PT was presented the way it was. It provides a different perspective in its depiction of what was, clearly, an overly superficial time during the last days of the Old Republic.
I just think it's fascinating how tastes differ. The prequel fights didn't work for me at all. Like I said over-choreographed and silly, too busy trying to look cool. They just left me cold. They felt like comic book action to me, like the super-stylized superhero movies I don't care for either.
The OT's fights felt real and had an emotional impact for me, just like TFA's. I really hope the style won't change for the next few.
I'm glad I get a break from cartoon action for a change.
It's a matter of taste but after three prequels that I hated I don't have much sympathy for those who'd prefer prequel-style fights. Sorry, I'm selfish like that.
The OT's fights felt real and had an emotional impact for me, just like TFA's. I really hope the style won't change for the next few.
I'm glad I get a break from cartoon action for a change.
It's a matter of taste but after three prequels that I hated I don't have much sympathy for those who'd prefer prequel-style fights. Sorry, I'm selfish like that.
Honestly, I'm not sure I'd say that I prefer the PT style - merely that I appreciate that it is part of the overall saga (especially the more it becomes the exception to the rule). As visually appealing as the TPM duel is, and as extended as the ROTS duel is, neither of them match the emotional intensity of the ROTJ duel ... which, by way of their verbal sparring, actually begins the moment Luke is delivered to Vader on Endor.
To that end, the Rey-Ren duel is more satisfying from a character and narrative standpoint than, certainly, the Kenobi-Jinn-Maul duel (and, arguably, the Anakin-Obi-Wan duel). Rey, clearly, hates Ren. First, Ren comments how Rey wants to murder him (a point she doesn't refute). Later, she calls him a "monster." And when she gains focus through the Force, she's almost brutal with her attacks against him.
It's personal in a way the duel for TPM never was, and more effective than ROTS (from a character standpoint).
So yeah, while I enjoy and appreciate they hyper-stylized duels from the PT, there's no question that the OT (and TFA) duels carry much more narrative and character significance.
To that end, the Rey-Ren duel is more satisfying from a character and narrative standpoint than, certainly, the Kenobi-Jinn-Maul duel (and, arguably, the Anakin-Obi-Wan duel). Rey, clearly, hates Ren. First, Ren comments how Rey wants to murder him (a point she doesn't refute). Later, she calls him a "monster." And when she gains focus through the Force, she's almost brutal with her attacks against him.
It's personal in a way the duel for TPM never was, and more effective than ROTS (from a character standpoint).
So yeah, while I enjoy and appreciate they hyper-stylized duels from the PT, there's no question that the OT (and TFA) duels carry much more narrative and character significance.
I don't think the duels in the Prequels were cartoonish, but they do harken back to the old serials as they were meant to. TFA certainly didn't feel like an homage to the old serials that Lucas' movie were.
My one complaint about the TPM duel was that Maul never said anything. The fight was awesome, but I was expecting a serial era style duel that has taunting and banter. The "traditional" Sith lord approach to get the hero to do something rash or keep them off balance. Sometimes thrown back the a witty response by the hero.
Count Dooku's fights had this. Palpatine's fight did not really have this much. The Anakin-Obi-wan fight didn't have it either because they were both too upset to taunt in a clever way. By the time they did it again on the Death Star, they were in their proper mindset to taunt and banter.
Count Dooku's fights had this. Palpatine's fight did not really have this much. The Anakin-Obi-wan fight didn't have it either because they were both too upset to taunt in a clever way. By the time they did it again on the Death Star, they were in their proper mindset to taunt and banter.
