Rey in The Force Awakens (Possible Spoilers)
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I said: The Powers that Be realized that people other than white males would enjoy seeing a main/central character that looked like them.
You said: 'Hey there was a black guy who was awesome'
I said: Yep - secondary character
You said: 'Just sayin' he was awesome'
So the hanging chad there hoss, is well if we had a black guy already, what's the point of having another one?
You said: 'Hey there was a black guy who was awesome'
I said: Yep - secondary character
You said: 'Just sayin' he was awesome'
So the hanging chad there hoss, is well if we had a black guy already, what's the point of having another one?
Just a pro tip: when Party A is celebrating a significant inclusion of a minority or female into an entertainment franchise/sport/business and Party B takes a moment to point out a single instance of a minority or female having a less significant role in said entertainment franchise/sport/business, it is hard not wonder that the hell Party B is on about.
What's next the lightsabers being a phallic symbol?
The Dark Side clearly represents the evil nature of men, and the light side the caring, nurturing, healing nature of femininity.
The proper response should have been "you do know people can enjoy a movie where the main character is of another race, right".
Finn touched it to. And he turned it on. And he thrust it into a Stormtrooper.
In other news, Rey is still a well-rounded character, who is clearly connecting with a huge portion of the audience. She represents a genuine evolution in how female characters are portrayed in pop culture (as per Emi's posts and links). I understand that evolution might generate some insecurities in some viewers and it might also generate some rather clumsy and myopic comments from others. But that won't change the reality that Rey is a successful character - one that did a great job of carrying this film for long stretches.
In other news, Rey is still a well-rounded character, who is clearly connecting with a huge portion of the audience. She represents a genuine evolution in how female characters are portrayed in pop culture (as per Emi's posts and links). I understand that evolution might generate some insecurities in some viewers and it might also generate some rather clumsy and myopic comments from others. But that won't change the reality that Rey is a successful character - one that did a great job of carrying this film for long stretches.
Quoted for truth. I know I'm really excited about Rey and judging from what I've seen that seems to be a very common reaction. I love that it's not just women and girls who are excited but I've seen a refreshingly big number of guys being very open-minded and genuinely interested in a fully-fledged female Star Wars heroine. That's so encouraging.
And while she may not mean as much to guys as she does to girls it seems that many men today don't struggle to identify with a female protagonist.
To quote Daisy Ridley: “She’s brave and she’s vulnerable and she’s so nuanced ... She doesn’t have to be one thing to embody a woman in a film. It just so happens she’s a woman, but she transcends gender. She’s going to speak to men and women.”
There's no reality other than differing opinions, and popularity doesn't make one right and one wrong. With me it has nothing to do with evolution of females in pop culture but her character suffering from being shallow, gender has nothing to do with it. If women are inspired that's great, but don't project gender issues at me just because I think the character is weak so far.
Come back in after the next movie when they give her some depth and a backstory to match her skills (which there are some good theories about), and my opinion might change. We don't really know where they're going to go with it next.
Here's where you jump in and tell me being a scavenger is a good explanation for being an expert in hand to hand combat, an expert in piloting/repairing ancient ships, and expert in force techniques. Still waiting for any valid example of her having flaws that make her a relatable character. She's not vulnerable or nuanced imo so far.
Shame the movie didn't work for you personally, Makarov. I'm sure you'll find other interests. There's something out there for everybody! Big deal! No need to agonize over it and waste your time on a character you can't relate to for whatever personal reasons you have.
Now excuse me while I check when I can go and watch the movie again because I genuinely enjoyed her character development, watching her trying to overcome her past, struggle to face her future and umm... almost crashing her new ship.
Big deal! No need to agonize over it and waste your time on a character you can't relate to for whatever personal reasons you have. Now excuse me while I check when I can go and watch the movie again because I genuinely enjoyed her character development, watching her trying to overcome her past, struggle to face her future and umm... almost crashing her new ship.
^ Yup. The film is quite fun. And Rey's character is a big part of why that is.
Facts and details from the film, however, do (which is reflected in how many viewers and comments genuinely like and appreciate the character).
It's kind of amusing (and frustrating) that the old problem is still present for some men: Not being able to like a female protagonist unless she starts out as super-weak and in need of help.
That's why "wise queens" or "wise sorceresses" are so rare in fantasy movies, too. Women who start out as persons of authority at the start of a story aren't accepted. It's only okay if they rise from very, very low status (and preferably needed a man to help them).
On the other hand I'm pleasantly surprised by how rare these complaints are with Rey. Sure, there are a few people complaining but that was to be expected once they decided to have a female protagonist. The good thing is they are very few.
All things considered it's been a resounding, amazing success so far and this might have quite an impact on the future of pop culture.
That's why "wise queens" or "wise sorceresses" are so rare in fantasy movies, too. Women who start out as persons of authority at the start of a story aren't accepted. It's only okay if they rise from very, very low status (and preferably needed a man to help them).
On the other hand I'm pleasantly surprised by how rare these complaints are with Rey. Sure, there are a few people complaining but that was to be expected once they decided to have a female protagonist. The good thing is they are very few.
All things considered it's been a resounding, amazing success so far and this might have quite an impact on the future of pop culture.
I thought it was a great decision to cast Boyega and Ridley together. They had great on screen chemistry--and another kind of "break through" that people are not discussing is how cool it was that a man and woman could develop a sense of comradeship and friendship in a movie without sexual tension getting involved. Now, of course, people are making comments that Finn must be gay for that to have happened (which would also be cool) but I thought it was a really refreshing relationship the two characters developed over the course of the film.
Agreed completely. I really loved that they didn't push any romantic angle. They're just characters bonding, experiencing a first real friendship. I loved when Rey hugged Finn after finding out that they came for her. It just showed how much it meant to her and how much she means to him... as a friend.
Now it's possible that they'll introduce a romance in the next movie and if that happens I'm okay with that, too. But if it doesn't, that's just as good.
There's some serious bro love going on between Poe and Finn, though! They're cute.
Now it's possible that they'll introduce a romance in the next movie and if that happens I'm okay with that, too. But if it doesn't, that's just as good.
There's some serious bro love going on between Poe and Finn, though!
They're cute.Again it's twisted into a female protagonist, men vs. women issue even though that was never my complaint - or anyone else in the threads that I've seen. I never said I need the protagonist to start out weak either, male or female. Plenty of my favorite female characters don't start out weak at all. Fury Road starts out with Furiosa leading a band of men while the male main character Max is tied up helpless. Not even Leia starts out weak. The whole idea of my issues with the character being sexist is so skewed from what I've written.
I think I mentioned that it's perfectly okay if it didn't work for you. I'm just not sure why you keep insisting on telling us. We got that part. We just don't agree with your reasoning at all. You're obviously not willing to accept any of the explanations/evidence so what is it you're trying to achieve by repeating yourself over and over again? 
We're just going to end up going in circles forever and I don't really care to give you the same replies over and over again either. It's not leading anywhere. If you want we can turn this into some kind of ritual. You can repeat yourself every 12 hours and we'll keep linking to our original replies to you. That'd work since nothing about your claims has changed.
Again, I'm sure you'll find stuff you really enjoy!
We're just going to end up going in circles forever and I don't really care to give you the same replies over and over again either. It's not leading anywhere. If you want we can turn this into some kind of ritual. You can repeat yourself every 12 hours and we'll keep linking to our original replies to you. That'd work since nothing about your claims has changed.
Again, I'm sure you'll find stuff you really enjoy!
Right I forgot that this is now the Rey love thread, where certain opinions are factual and the rest encouraged to exit stage left while being branded sexist. I actually thought it was more like a discussion, exchange of ideas, and I've agreed to disagree before the subject was brought up again not by me. Well I'm out, wish granted.
