Rewatching TOS After SNW

[Christopher]

Please TPTB, retcon those silly 60's flings like Kalomi out of existence.

Given that they made sure to set Chapel up with Roger Korby, I'd be surprised if they didn't have plans for Leila too. I'm just wondering if they'll cast someone who looks like Jill Ireland, or pull a Robert April and cast someone fitting the character's Hawai'ian-sounding name, as originally intended.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Please TPTB, retcon those silly 60's flings like Kalomi out of existence. I didn't like Pike's one in S1 either. Batel?

Batel? I got some bad news for you.

Spoiler: Batel

She's all over season 2

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

He might be tempted to try it and let the feelings come later, but his natural reserve and belief that faking it 'til he makes it wouldn't be fair to her would trump any temptation. You could therefore keep the "unrequited love" idea intact.

 

[Chovak]

Batel? I got some bad news for you.

Spoiler: Batel

She's all over season 2

I could have been clearer but I meant his fling with the old flame from the planet with the 'Beneath A Steel Sky' vibes.

What did Batel think of that?
She probably wasn't told

 

[Christopher]

I could have been clearer but I meant his fling with the old flame from the planet with the 'Beneath A Steel Sky' vibes.

If you mean "Lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach," I would've said "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" vibes. Looking into Beneath a Steel Sky online, I don't see the resemblance. That's a dystopian cyberpunk wasteland, while Majalis in "Lift Us" is an apparent paradise with a dark underbelly.

What did Batel think of that?
She probably wasn't told

It didn't seem like they were in a committed or exclusive relationship at the time, just spending time together on the rare occasions when they had the chance. And there is such a thing as ethical non-monogamy. It makes sense that people who only infrequently find time to get together would choose not to impose any limits on each others' actions when they're apart.

 

[Chovak]

I guess it only reminded me of Beneath A Steel Sky because the device the kid has to sit in in "Lift Us" for me at least is similar to LINC.

As to the other point, while that may be true, the way I got it from their characterization is that they expect eachother to commit to the other exclusively. I'm not saying there was a direct line of dialog stating that, but obviously it comes off differently for different people.
I suppose the out-of-universe explanation is that the writers weren't sure of where they were heading with Pike & Batel at the time of writing that season 1 episode.

But my real point is, I don't like TOS-style romances of the week.
SNW does a better job (so far) in my opinion with romances.
With the mentioned exception, at least for me. (Alora on Majalis)

 

[Christopher]

But my real point is, I don't like TOS-style romances of the week.

At least it was the "reawakened feelings for an old flame" category of romance-of-the-week rather than the "fall madly in love with someone you met four hours ago" category.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I've been pondering what happens to Spock, not just between his time with Pike to Kirk's Enterprise, but what's happens between the early parts of the first season of TOS into the second. He really hunkers down into his Vulcan-ness. What losses, struggles (betrayals) etc. led him to finish the promise he made to himself in Subspace Rhapsody? (Not that he's completely consistent, but he's much more insistent about it.)

 

[Donald G]

I've been pondering what happens to Spock, not just between his time with Pike to Kirk's Enterprise, but what's happens between the early parts of the first season of TOS into the second. He really hunkers down into his Vulcan-ness. What losses, struggles (betrayals) etc. led him to finish the promise he made to himself in Subspace Rhapsody? (Not that he's completely consistent, but he's much more insistent about it.)

Daily exposure to Leonard McCoy will do that to a Vulcan.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Daily exposure to Leonard McCoy will do that to a Vulcan.

I think we may have figured it all out.

 

[shakham]

The fact that Kirk may have some sort of relationship with Khan's great-grand daughter in SNW, and then meet the ancestor in TOS.

I guess she never tells him? or he never figures out the connection?

Kirk: "Hey Khaaan, I should tell you I feel like I should already know you. You and La'an have so many similarities"

Khan: "Who?"

Boggles the mind!

 

[fireproof78]

The fact that Kirk may have some sort of relationship with Khan's great-grand daughter in SNW, and then meet the ancestor in TOS.

I guess she never tells him? or he never figures out the connection?

Kirk: "Hey Khaaan, I should tell you I feel like I should already know you. You and La'an have so many similarities"

Khan: "Who?"

Boggles the mind!

Hmmm:
Singh is the 6th most common surname in the world, according to surname distribution data from Forebears, used by more than 36 million people. Singh is most commonly found in India, where it ranks 2nd in the nation.

Can't imagine why Kirk wouldn't make the connection.

 

[Christopher]

I guess she never tells him? or he never figures out the connection?

Uhh, her name is Noonien-Singh. Kind of a giveaway.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Yeah, the combination of hyphenated names probably isn't that popular among non-relatives of Khan, before or after his bad actions.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The fact that Kirk may have some sort of relationship with Khan's great-grand daughter in SNW, and then meet the ancestor in TOS.

I guess she never tells him? or he never figures out the connection?

Kirk: "Hey Khaaan, I should tell you I feel like I should already know you. You and La'an have so many similarities"

Khan: "Who?"

Boggles the mind!

None of that rings true. But especially Khan and La’An being similar.

 

[Jedi Marso]

You know, aside from the Time Traveling Romulan episode, has there been any advantage or story-purpose at all in La'an's distant relationship to Khan?

Seems to me they could have dispensed with it completely- it strikes me as an idea spit-balled in the writer's room to give her character some 'recognizable or relatable attribute' next to the more familiar names from TOS. She's a great character so far, getting better as we go, and the whole surname thing was completely unnecessary. It's established now, of course, but they could safely ignore it completely from here on out and I doubt anyone would even really notice.

 

[shakham]

Uhh, her name is Noonien-Singh. Kind of a giveaway.

Agreed. That's my point. I can also speculate that her SF profile may make some vague mention of it, considering she also inherits genetically engineered traits. So re-watching TOS, it feels different knowing what we know now.

Now, note that being Khan's descendent isn't a crime, but she herself has stated how the baggage affects her. Also being a a descendent of a polarizing historical figure like Khan would clearly be a notable point about someone, and not just a throwaway.

None of that rings true. But especially Khan and La’An being similar.

I'm speculating similarities based on Kirk knowing La'An then than we know at the present. Maybe some subtle mannerism, or how she carries herself.

If you came across the ancestor of someone you knew closely, you would find similarities. That's just a given.

 

[fireproof78]

Now, note that being Khan's descendent isn't a crime, but she herself has stated how the baggage affects her. Also being a a descendent of a polarizing historical figure like Khan would clearly be a notable point about someone, and not just a throwaway.

Perhaps Kirk tries out Uhura's advice:

LINCOLN: What a charming negress. Oh, forgive me, my dear. I know in my time some used that term as a description of property.
UHURA: But why should I object to that term, sir? You see, in our century we've learned not to fear words.
KIRK: May I present our communications officer, Lieutenant Uhura.
LINCOLN: The foolishness of my century had me apologising where no offense was given.

 

[Christopher]

You know, aside from the Time Traveling Romulan episode, has there been any advantage or story-purpose at all in La'an's distant relationship to Khan?

Well, there was her initial rage on learning Una was genetically engineered in "Ghosts of Illyria."

Seems to me they could have dispensed with it completely- it strikes me as an idea spit-balled in the writer's room to give her character some 'recognizable or relatable attribute' next to the more familiar names from TOS. She's a great character so far, getting better as we go, and the whole surname thing was completely unnecessary. It's established now, of course, but they could safely ignore it completely from here on out and I doubt anyone would even really notice.

It was a strange choice. For one thing, it wasn't Khan Noonien-Singh, but Khan Noonien Singh. Why turn it into a hyphenate? And if it's such an infamous surname, why did La'an's family keep it for over 200 years? It doesn't seem like the producers really thought through the ramifications.

Also, it seems the Gorn-capture backstory is enough angst without tacking this on.

If you came across the ancestor of someone you knew closely, you would find similarities. That's just a given.

You might imagine you saw it. But two centuries is maybe 7-8 generations, far enough back that only a tiny fraction of La'an's genes would be from Khan, if any: https://gcbias.org/2013/11/04/how-much-of-your-genome-do-you-inherit-from-a-particular-ancestor/ So there's little chance of any significant resemblance.

 

[Mudd]

If you came across the ancestor of someone you knew closely, you would find similarities. That's just a given.

Only in the movies.