Rewatching TOS After SNW

[Mudd]

McCoy, judging by his backstory about his divorce and joining Starfleet seems to pan out across both universes, and doesn't seem like the difference in the timeline would effect that much in 2255.

Except that they're not writing this show with any interest in being consistent with Abrams. McCoy has no established, consistent backstory. They just told a version that suited them in Star Trek 2009. The SNW people have no reason to refer to that backstory at all.

They did go out of their way to separate SNW Kirk's life from Kelvin Kirk's, in just about every way they could. And what we know about Lieutenant J.G. Scott's situation has nothing to do with the Kelvin version at all.

 

[Grizzlor]

IMO, just totally ignoring TOS is also a reasonable option at this point.

Would not be surprised if they did. Not sure how I feel about that. When the time comes, I probably won't care.

Except that they're not writing this show with any interest in being consistent with Abrams. McCoy has no established, consistent backstory. They just told a version that suited them in Star Trek 2009. The SNW people have no reason to refer to that backstory at all.

Thank the Prophets Abrams' films are ignored!

 

[Christopher]

As it stands SNW version seems to have entered the Academy only a year or two later than her Kelvin timeline version...whom is four year years older than the SNW version.

What are you basing that on? Memory Alpha doesn't list a birthdate for her Kelvin version. Chekov's the one who's explicitly 4 years older in Kelvin.

(though I'm struggling with everything in SNW happening in 2259 so far. It seems like some of this should be in 2260 or 2261 based on "Those Old Scientists".

Yeah, I don't know why Memory Alpha is assuming that. They were assuming it was 2260, but I think they moved it back after "Among the Lotus Eaters" revealed that "The Cage" was 5 years earlier. Still, there's no reason a whole season has to be in a single calendar year -- that could've been late '59 and "Scientists" could've been early '60. Or "Lotus" could've been early enough in '60 that it's still less than five and a half years after "The Cage" and was rounded down.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sulu could come in as a junior science officer under Sam Kirk. Then strike up a deal with Ortegas to learn to fly the ship. Sulu mostly stays in sciences until both Oregas and Sam Kirk leave the ship, than decides he'd rather fly the ship (and or decides he would like to command a starship one day).

There is a question there. In SMW, the helm and navigation are in red, by in TOS those potions were in gold. What department changed? Or does Kirk have command people on shift instead of technical?

In the first pilot helm and navigation wear gold. As XO, Number One of course would be.

In the second pilot they had people in coral (pilots version of red) at helm and navigation. Though Alden, the blue shirt Comms officer was at Nav before Gary shows up.

Both SNW and DISCO have gone with the WNMHGB "color scheme".

 

[Ithekro]

I guess I thought Gary was also in gold. I thought there wasn't a red uniform until the "Corbomite Maneuver". Which I believe was also the only time Uhura was in gold.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I guess I thought Gary was also in gold. I thought there wasn't a red uniform until the "Corbomite Maneuver". Which I believe was also the only time Uhura was in gold.

Corbomite was the first episode produced for TOS, proper. We see Scotty, Rand and Leslie all in red. So red starts with Corbomite.

Uhura is also in gold in "Mudd's Women".

 

[Jedi Marso]

And in TOS S1 Arena, while down onCestus III being attacked by the Gorn land leaving Sulu in command of the ship; when Kirk laments that they can't return to the ship, Spock says: "Sulu is an experienced combat officer."
^^^
So it seems that many of the bridge crew officers in TOS arr veterans of the Federation/Klingon War shown in Star Trek: Dscovery.

I'm not saying this isn't so, but I'm always wary of WYSIATI (What You See Is All There Is) syndrome on shows like this. One passing line of dialog is used to infer a whole world of information, because 'that's all there is' to go on. I agree that Sulu, at this stage of his career and the mission, has seen a fight or two. Does it mean he fought in the Klingon war? Maybe. But you can't draw that conclusion solely from Spock's one line of dialog, meant in the moment to reassure his captain that he is making a sound decision.

 

[fireproof78]

Corbomite was the first episode produced for TOS, proper. We see Scotty, Rand and Leslie all in red. So red starts with Corbomite.

Uhura is also in gold in "Mudd's Women".

Doesn't she wear gold coveralls too in an episode?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Doesn't she wear gold coveralls too in an episode?

Blue, I think.

 

[Pauln6]

Mr. Scott's career might not have altered between the two, since we see one at an earlier point in time on a discipline assignment for doing something ill advised, while the first time we see him in SNW is a year or so after that could have happened. Meaning Scotty could have still been assigned to Delta Vega for six months or so then gotten his post on the Stardiver. Possibly with a demotion.

Uhura was born after the timeline shift, so anything is possible. As it stands SNW version seems to have entered the Academy only a year or two later than her Kelvin timeline version...whom is four year years older than the SNW version. (though I'm struggling with everything in SNW happening in 2259 so far. It seems like some of this should be in 2260 or 2261 based on "Those Old Scientists".

From recollection, I think Scotty started out as an engineer working on freighters and so joined Starfleet after years of experience in the field. McCoy on the other hand was just an old country doctor. It was strongly implied, not least in his behaviour, that he had a considerable medical career before joining Starfleet. In that respect, while the details may vary, I think NuTrek had McCoy broadly correct, unlike Spock.

NuScotty was terrible characterisation however - a sloppy, unprofessional, inexplicably high-ranking officer but a brilliant engineer vs a decent engineer and an excellent officer, high up in the chain of command. I desperately want to see SNW characterisation more in keeping with the TOS version, so his low rank and youth have me a little worried but her could have been newly promoted to Lt-commander for the 5 year mission, so the timing is fine. Geordi leap-frogged several higher ranking assistant chiefs.

 

[Mudd]

Was it said that Scott started his career on freighters, or only that he served on some?

Memory Alpha still has Scott's Starfleet training beginning in 1941, which means he's a LTJG after nearly 20 years. His assumed dates of service and age will need to be revised downward.

 

[Farscape One]

In "Relics", he said he worked on 'freighters, cruisers, starships', but didn't say in what order, only that the Enterprise was the first where he was Chief Engineer.

I believe he also mentioned serving on a freighter in TOS, though I don't recall which episode. (My mind keeps thinking it was a season 2 one for some reason.)

 

[Set Harth]

1941? He's a lot older than he looks.

 

[Christopher]

I believe he also mentioned serving on a freighter in TOS, though I don't recall which episode. (My mind keeps thinking it was a season 2 one for some reason.)

The closest thing I can find is "Friday's Child" where Scotty recognizes the SS Dierdre as a freighter from the name and says "I'm well aware of a freighter's maximum speed, Mr. Sulu." "The Ultimate Computer" said the unseen Geologist Carstairs had served on merchant marine freighters, but not Scott.

 

[Mudd]

"Relics" gives us this, but no more:

You know, I served aboard eleven ships. Freighters, cruisers, starships...

At that time it was plausible to assume that Scott might have been an engineer aboard non-Starfleet vessels in his youth.

Given Scotty being a LTJG and Quinn being less than thirty, we're pretty much seeing the character's youth right now.

 

[Farscape One]

The closest thing I can find is "Friday's Child" where Scotty recognizes the SS Dierdre as a freighter from the name and says "I'm well aware of a freighter's maximum speed, Mr. Sulu." "The Ultimate Computer" said the unseen Geologist Carstairs had served on merchant marine freighters, but not Scott.

Yes, I think "FRIDAY'S CHILD" was the reference. Thanks.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, I think "FRIDAY'S CHILD" was the reference. Thanks.

Yeah, but that doesn't say Scotty served on a freighter, necessarily, just that he's familiar with them. It could be read as implying it, but I'm sure plenty of Starfleet personnel are familiar with freighter specs through other means.

 

[Farscape One]

Yeah, but that doesn't say Scotty served on a freighter, necessarily, just that he's familiar with them. It could be read as implying it, but I'm sure plenty of Starfleet personnel are familiar with freighter specs through other means.

True. It wasn't him flat out saying he did, but the way he said it made it seem like he did. Like you said, it was how I read the implication.

 

[comsol]

Was it said that Scott started his career on freighters, or only that he served on some?

Memory Alpha still has Scott's Starfleet training beginning in 1941, which means he's a LTJG after nearly 20 years. His assumed dates of service and age will need to be revised downward.

Maybe he left Starfleet for a while and rejoined later.

 

[UssGlenn]

Except that they're not writing this show with any interest in being consistent with Abrams. McCoy has no established, consistent backstory. They just told a version that suited them in Star Trek 2009. The SNW people have no reason to refer to that backstory at all.

Well, the Abrams backstory was based on the existing ideas of McCoy's past from DC Fontana, which I'm sure you already know. Also his daughter Joanna gets mentioned in The Animated Series, so she's canon, and just the sort of deep cut SNW likes to reference.