Rewatching TOS After SNW
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I mean the main problem is that the twist (‘they’re more complex then we ever realized and they’re not actually evil incarnate!’) is already given away simply by the fact that they command freakin' spaceships. They HAVE to be more than monsters to do that!
Even in TOS, that wasn't a twist, and instead more a contemplation of Kirk, how a being so different can be so similar.
So stretching this "twist" out for several seasons is doing them no favour. IMO they should ASAP get that twist out of the way and go into the details of HOW they actually work - and then start exploring the details and ramifications of THAT.
Do it!
Also, it's fun to put puzzle pieces together. Does it fit perfectly? No.
In my opinion SNW is striking a decent balance between TOS acknowledgement while doing it's own thing. Similarly, with DSC and the Klingons, while I don't fully love the Gorn I welcome the expansion. We had one, count it, one example to work off of. From that, you then had RPGs, and books, and fan assumptions go gang busters over the assumptions. Which is fine, but we really don't have as much data as we thing we do. So going back and revisiting TOS is a lot of fun because it sheds light that we tend to fill in the gaps (something I find fairly enjoyable, even if there is nothing definitive about it) and it helps to see things in a new light.
Sulu could come in as a junior science officer under Sam Kirk. Then strike up a deal with Ortegas to learn to fly the ship. Sulu mostly stays in sciences until both Oregas and Sam Kirk leave the ship, than decides he'd rather fly the ship (and or decides he would like to command a starship one day).
There is a question there. In SMW, the helm and navigation are in red, by in TOS those potions were in gold. What department changed? Or does Kirk have command people on shift instead of technical?
There is a question there. In SMW, the helm and navigation are in red, by in TOS those potions were in gold. What department changed? Or does Kirk have command people on shift instead of technical?
I think it's simply Sulu and Chekov were on a command track or path, which is why they were not in red.
I guess it could depend on what the mission is, or what the captain wants in a helmsman - leadership skills primarily, or evasive action. If everyone needs to know how to fly the ship, and some do it better than others despite that not being their preferred job, for instance. Or if you have several people who could staff the science department, but one who knows helmsmanship better than the others. They could be on their helm/nav rotation and stay there because it suits the needs of the ship.
As an aside, in the world of Trek, I can't imagine there being too many disciplines that suffer from lack of jobs. Can't find a job in your chosen field on your home planet? Join Starfleet, one of the myriad other military/paramiltary/exploratory corps, or go to any of thousands of planets where you can put your degree to work.
As an aside, in the world of Trek, I can't imagine there being too many disciplines that suffer from lack of jobs. Can't find a job in your chosen field on your home planet? Join Starfleet, one of the myriad other military/paramiltary/exploratory corps, or go to any of thousands of planets where you can put your degree to work.
Right, I just thought Kirk said he met Pike once for some reason.
@fireproof78 The fact that the pieces don’t fit precisely is more fun than if they did.
@fireproof78 The fact that the pieces don’t fit precisely is more fun than if they did.
I would rather that McCoy never have served on the Farragut, otherwise his apparent complete ignorance of the Tycho Cloud Creature and Kirk's experience with it stretches credulity.
That was 2257, 2-3 years before the SNW present. If McCoy didn't come on board until a few years later, it might be something that nobody on the ship wants to talk about.
And it's no worse than Uhura not recognizing T'Pring in "Amok Time," or Kirk not recognizing the name "Gorn" in "Arena."
Wouldn't it come up on Remembrance Day? (Though I suppose his stay on the Farragut might begin after one observance and end before the next.) https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet_Remembrance_Day
Or, putting on my Modern Trek hat: Survivors were forbidden to discuss the incident " under penalty of treason" unless a superior officer of command grade verbally authorizes one to "check the record tapes" of the incident in question.
If we take Star Trek 2009's McCoy as how and when he entered Starfleet, than he wouldn't have been out of the Academy until the near end of the Klingon War, but about a year before Uhura, if not the same year. Kirk was assigned as an instructor at Starfleet Academy at some point and might probably met and nicknamed "Bones" McCoy at that time. Probably just before Kirk was assigned to the USS Farragut. Where the good doctor is now is anyone's guess, but he's bound to come back into Kirk's orbit again.
I wonder if James T.Kirk would serve as captain of the Farragut, and perhaps one other ship before being tapped for Enterprise by Pike. Pike's little time travel foreknowledge of the events around the Romulan incident probably is why USS Farragut comes to be assigned to support USS Enterprise. If that hadn't happened, the only connection would be to La'an's time travel shenanigans and relationship with Kirk. But future knowledge now has Pike wanting to keep an eye on Kirk's career and probably make sure he's placed in a position to take over the Enterprise when the time comes.
I wonder if James T.Kirk would serve as captain of the Farragut, and perhaps one other ship before being tapped for Enterprise by Pike. Pike's little time travel foreknowledge of the events around the Romulan incident probably is why USS Farragut comes to be assigned to support USS Enterprise. If that hadn't happened, the only connection would be to La'an's time travel shenanigans and relationship with Kirk. But future knowledge now has Pike wanting to keep an eye on Kirk's career and probably make sure he's placed in a position to take over the Enterprise when the time comes.
No reason to assume they line up. Kelvin Uhura was a lieutenant by 2258, while Uhura Prime was a cadet the following year. Kelvin Scotty was a lieutenant commander in '58 while Scotty Prime is a lieutenant j.g. in '59. Conversely, Kirk Prime graduated and got assigned to the Farragut around the same time that Kelvin Kirk finally enlisted in the Academy.
Although it struck me as odd that Scotty is being portrayed in SNW at an earlier stage of his career than Kirk. That doesn't seem to line up with his age. Kirk's rise through the ranks was supposed to be exceptionally fast.
These folks are paying virtually no attention to the continuity of the Abrams Kelvin movies, which is particularly amusing since the guy currently in charge of the whole franchise co-wrote two of them.
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McCoy, judging by his backstory about his divorce and joining Starfleet seems to pan out across both universes, and doesn't seem like the difference in the timeline would effect that much in 2255.
Scotty might have gotten demoted for whatever stunt would have placed him on a similar duty to his post in 2009's Delta Vega, then assigned to a research vessel (where he was prior to being encountered by the crew of Pike's Enterprise in SMW).
Kirk being motivated by his father's career in the Prime Timeline makes sense for him to be where he is now in SNW. Gary Mitchell said Kirk had been an instructor at the Academy for a time, and it is likely to have been around the time McCoy entered Starfleet (that would make sense with the "Bones" nickname if Kirk was there on that shuttle, but as a recruiter, rather than a recruit.) It could also make sense if Kirk took the time for Command School as a lieutenant jg while McCoy was there and that was when he did the Kobayashi Maru tests...therefore the reason McCoy knows what Kirk did, having been there just like in the Kelvin timeline. Probably after his time on USS Republic as an ensign.
Scotty might have gotten demoted for whatever stunt would have placed him on a similar duty to his post in 2009's Delta Vega, then assigned to a research vessel (where he was prior to being encountered by the crew of Pike's Enterprise in SMW).
Kirk being motivated by his father's career in the Prime Timeline makes sense for him to be where he is now in SNW. Gary Mitchell said Kirk had been an instructor at the Academy for a time, and it is likely to have been around the time McCoy entered Starfleet (that would make sense with the "Bones" nickname if Kirk was there on that shuttle, but as a recruiter, rather than a recruit.) It could also make sense if Kirk took the time for Command School as a lieutenant jg while McCoy was there and that was when he did the Kobayashi Maru tests...therefore the reason McCoy knows what Kirk did, having been there just like in the Kelvin timeline. Probably after his time on USS Republic as an ensign.
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There's no reason to think the timeline change would affect the timing of Scott or Uhura's career either, but they still turned out differently. After all, the "alternate timeline" is just a plot device to allow the creators of the respective series the freedom to tell stories their own way without being constrained by what the other guys did.
Mr. Scott's career might not have altered between the two, since we see one at an earlier point in time on a discipline assignment for doing something ill advised, while the first time we see him in SNW is a year or so after that could have happened. Meaning Scotty could have still been assigned to Delta Vega for six months or so then gotten his post on the Stardiver. Possibly with a demotion.
Uhura was born after the timeline shift, so anything is possible. As it stands SNW version seems to have entered the Academy only a year or two later than her Kelvin timeline version...whom is four year years older than the SNW version. (though I'm struggling with everything in SNW happening in 2259 so far. It seems like some of this should be in 2260 or 2261 based on "Those Old Scientists".
Uhura was born after the timeline shift, so anything is possible. As it stands SNW version seems to have entered the Academy only a year or two later than her Kelvin timeline version...whom is four year years older than the SNW version. (though I'm struggling with everything in SNW happening in 2259 so far. It seems like some of this should be in 2260 or 2261 based on "Those Old Scientists".
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