Rewatching TOS After SNW

[Tosk]

As far as The Serene Squall vs Amok Time, Spock and T'Pring are betrothed but T'Pring (knowing full well that Spock is attempting a ruse) says that they should terminate their mating bond. One might argue that a mating bond is not the same thing as a betrothal, and like Spock has done many times T'Pring was lying without actually lying. The mating bond and the betrothal are two different "contracts", and ending one is a lot simpler than the other.

 

[Supervisor 194]

You're saying she chose to get someone killed merely to get back at an ex she was mad at, and you don't think that qualifies as psychopathic behavior?

Well, when you put it that way…

 

[fireproof78]

As far as The Serene Squall vs Amok Time, Spock and T'Pring are betrothed but T'Pring (knowing full well that Spock is attempting a ruse) says that they should terminate their mating bond. One might argue that a mating bond is not the same thing as a betrothal, and like Spock has done many times T'Pring was lying without actually lying. The mating bond and the betrothal are two different "contracts", and ending one is a lot simpler than the other.

Or they didn't do it exactly right and so the space magic didn't wear off right away and then they reaffirmed their bond after the ruse was done.

 

[Therin of Andor]

... like the Chapel/Spock convoy in Naked Time.

The katra-sharing in the Sargon episode had more meaning after ST III, but now even more meaning after SNW.

 

[Sketcher]

I feel now in Where No Man Goes Before, when Spock seems confused as to what irritation is, and then refers to it as one of Kirk's "Earth emotions" he's teasing him. Sort of like what he did with Chapel in season 1 when he seemed confused by the phrase "what are friends for". The man's got a slick sense of humor under that Vulcan exterior.

 

[Christopher]

Notice how Spock and T'Pring kiss like humans as well, and the whole two-fingers-touching thing has just sort of been dropped?

Yeah, that bugged me.

Maybe the two-fingered deal is meant for public displays of affection? that might help for controlling emotions better without a liplock? and the damn kids don't follow tradition?

or maybe it's used at diplomatic events for politeness?

Nope -- see "The Enterprise Incident." Nothing public or diplomatic about it there.

I feel now in Where No Man Goes Before, when Spock seems confused as to what irritation is, and then refers to it as one of Kirk's "Earth emotions" he's teasing him.

I thought that was evident all along from Nimoy's performance, the way Spock delivers it with a smug almost-grin. And the way he takes Kirk's "Terrible -- having bad blood like that" line in stride proves he's accustomed to teasing between them.

 

[Mage]

Notice how Spock and T'Pring kiss like humans as well, and the whole two-fingers-touching thing has just sort of been dropped?

I took that as this younger Spock embracing the more human side of showing affection. Exploring it, so to say. I get your point though, but I feel part of this show is this Spock's journey to the Spock as we see him in TOS. And the TOS version of Spock isn't the one as we will ultimately see him for the last time during the first two Kelvin movies.

 

[Odo]

Yeah, I read their kissing as something more alien to them that they were trying out, but also Spock testing out his human side, which he only does more fully with Christine.

 

[Odo]

The katra-sharing in the Sargon episode had more meaning after ST III, but now even more meaning after SNW.

good point, hadn’t thought of that one

 

[Christopher]

I took that as this younger Spock embracing the more human side of showing affection. Exploring it, so to say. I get your point though, but I feel part of this show is this Spock's journey to the Spock as we see him in TOS. And the TOS version of Spock isn't the one as we will ultimately see him for the last time during the first two Kelvin movies.

You got the quote tags mixed up and attributed Jedi Marso's observation to me.

 

[Mage]

You got the quote tags mixed up and attributed Jedi Marso's observation to me.

My apologies. Not sure how I did that but that's on me.

 

[Annorax849]

I just watched “What are little girls made of” for (I think) the first time when Chapel mentioned Dr. Colby on SNW.

The only thing that felt weird was Spock’s interactions with Chapel, especially him formally calling her “Nurse.” I guess not totally unlike him, anyway.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I just watched “What are little girls made of” for (I think) the first time when Chapel mentioned Dr. Colby on SNW.

The only thing that felt weird was Spock’s interactions with Chapel, especially him formally calling her “Nurse.” I guess not totally unlike him, anyway.

He does tend to refer to Kirk as "Captain" and McCoy as "Doctor". And they are arguably his closest friends.

 

[Odo]

Plus if we look at Naked Time, it’s clear there’s some pain and feeling on both sides, Spock almost might be trying to just keep it professional

 

[Vger23]

It's interesting, because as much as SNW is "spiritually linked" and "genetically linked" to TOS more than any other series in Trek history, I don't think you actually need to see a single episode of TOS to enhance your appreciation for it. It helps, in terms of appreciating some easter eggs and connectivity, but it is in no way necessary.

 

[Supervisor 194]

It's interesting, because as much as SNW is "spiritually linked" and "genetically linked" to TOS more than any other series in Trek history, I don't think you actually need to see a single episode of TOS to enhance your appreciation for it. It helps, in terms of appreciating some easter eggs and connectivity, but it is in no way necessary.

Agreed.

I would argue that TOS is actually more enhanced by the connection to SNW than the reverse.

 

[Odo]

Ultimately I think because TOS focused on the interplay between Kirk Spock and Bones, and SNW focuses on a different and larger set of personal relations, there’s not much weight to the connections, with the exception of seeing how Spock (and to a lesser extent Kirk) became the people we know. Uhura was mostly a blank canvas pre SNW.

 

[Noname Given]

While we wait for season 3, what are some TOS episodes to rewatch after having the new context of SNW?

The Naked Time, What Are Little Girls Made Of?, and Amok Time jump to mind.

What Are Little Girls Made Of
The Naked Time
The Menagerie
Balance Of Terror
Arena
Court Martial
Errand Of Mercy
Amok Time
Journey To Babel
Enterprise Incident

 

[Commander Troi]

The Menagerie definitely landed differently for me when I re-watched it recently.

 

[Grizzlor]

It's two different shows, and the writers clearly aren't giving much thought to how divergent the portrayals of nearly every character is.