Revisiting DS9...
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I didn't make myself clear, I think. I wasn't referring to the supposed murder - I was referring to the affair. The most fascinating thing about the episode is that Sisko has no idea why his best friend Curzon won't defend himself. So, Sisko has to rethink his knowledge of his friend; he's not afraid that Curzon did the murder, of course not. But he fears there's something else he doesn't know about, and he's right. This is a Sisko episode, primarily, and about how he is forced to question and doubt his knowledge of Curzon, because that confidence in knowledge of his best friend has been put in doubt. And it turns out he was right to doubt. Not because of a murder, but because of the affair.
Anyway, I think it's a very interesting Sisko character piece. And Sisko-Curzon piece. Those are usually good for interesting episodes.
Well, they did good jobs of it with things like Our Man Bashir (007), "Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places" (great retelling of Cyrano de Bergerac), Uboat Movies (Starship down), and so on.
Dax as the Klingon Groupie got old quickly. One of the many reasons I was happy to see Ezri.
No. The chances of me buying a book just to look up what you are talking about equals 0%. But note that when you don't list the examples you are talking about, it makes it hard to understand what you mean.
But anyone else want to help me out here?
For the Casablanca adaptation in DS9, I find Profit and Loss.
Searching through Memory Alpha for "Rio Bravo" results in only A Fistfull of Datas, which is why I "misunderstood" what you were saying in the first place. It's not like I didn't already try to look up your examples.
Our Man Bashir (007 movies),
"Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places" (Cyrano de Bergerac),
StarShip Down (Uboat/submarine movies)
The Magnificent Ferengi (the magnificent seven)
that is off the top of my head...
Memory Alpha says that Seige of AR-558 is loosely based off the novel "A thin Red Line"
Although it will be awhile till I get there it will be interesting to see if what I'll think of episodes many here seem to be enamored with. I know in the TNG revisit I sometimes liked episodes others didn't think much of while I sometimes wasn't all that impressed with some TNG fans rather liked.
Indeed, for example, I noticed that most who like "Tapestry" and "The Inner Light" love "The visitor" but those who dislike those TNG episodes also dislike "The Visitor"...
I am looking forward to what you think of the Bajorian trilogy.
No, what I'm saying is that when one actor is replaced with another, it generally leads to a new character with different attributes being created rather than a carbon copy with a new name. And when they're casting for a new character, they try to find someone that best suits the new role rather than looking for someone that's like the actor being replaced.
Kira, as imagined by Piller and Berman, was a very different character from Ro and had a very different background. Ro was part of the Bajoran diaspora and was raised in a camp off-world while Kira was raised and lived her whole life on Bajor. Ro joined Starfleet to get away from her past while Kira joined the resistance to fight the Cardassians. Kira is deeply religious while Ro never even mentioned the Prophets (as far as I can remember). These differences led to two different characters that react to situations in entirely different ways and they were decided before Nana Visitor landed the role and put her own spin on the character.
Kira was intended to be a different character than Ro and trying to blame Nana Visitor for not playing the character like Michelle Forbes played Ro is just silly.
I don't blame Visitor for playing a different character. I blame her for playing a character in such a one-note fashion.
Sorry, that's just verifiably false. If I had the time, the inclination, and the logistical possibility to do so, I could sit down with you and show you 4 or 5 Kira-centred episodes where she very clearly and unqualifiedly plays an entire range of complex levels and emotions, often simultaneously. Nana Visitor is someone capable of playing both high and low status (something many actors cannot do), she can play both confidently arrogant and yet fragile, gleefully happy and morose, hopeful and cynical, and any other foibles of humanity you can think of. This is not a subjective discussion. You may say you don't enjoy her performances, that's fine. You can say you find it grating whenever Kira complains, regardless of the legitimacy and plausibility of those complaints, and that's fine. But you cannot say her character is one-note - that's objectively false. You can perhaps say you don't believe the variety of notes she plays, which I suppose is fine even if unfortunate for you - hell, you're welcome not to believe a word that comes out of Nimoy's mouth either - but you simply cannot say there aren't a wide range of notes, levels, emotions, and reactions in the character of Kira, because there undeniably are.
And every last one she sounds like she's in a full-bore whine. She's is Star Trek's answer to Fran Drescher.
She's a one-note actress and if it's "verifiably false" why keep trying to run to her rescue. It's just one man's opinion.
Or perhaps I'm a lot closer than people are comfortable with.
Indeed ubik, The first season while she does whine a bit, that is how she is written, as the writers gave her more meaty roles, Nana Vastor was able to show off her acting chops. I can understand why some wanted to strangle the early Kira, but thats not the actress fault, that was poor writing.
In the beginning, perhaps, back when Kira was so used to being angry that she didn't know how to react any other way. But as the series progressed and Kira evolved as a person, Nana Visitor displayed a wide range of complex emotions and it's one of the main reasons why I think Kira is one of the finest characters in any sci-fi show.
From what I remember of the show when I watched when it first aired is that Kira does start out angry and frustrated over the first part of the first season, but as the show progresses we see more aspects to her. And I've seen enough to think she does have some decent range.
If I have a quibble with some of DS9 and TNG and more so with VOY and ENT is how some of it is written. Sometimes the casts were given awful material that practically no one could make work.
I agree, and I also think a lot of it has do with the writing, which got progressively better (for the most part). Much of DSN's first season has the feel of the writers not really being quite sure yet of what they want to do with the characters. Some of them are pretty-much full-formed (i.e. Quark, Odo, O'Brien (who has the advantage of an actual past)) while others are not quite what they end being (i.e. Kira, Bashir). I think they finally start hitting their stride with Kira about the time Duet comes around, and she really comes into her own with the opening triogy of Season Two.
If Nana were a one-note actress, that would make Kira the Harry Kim of DS9, wouldn't it? Just the same dull boring performance week after week?
Which it wasn't.
No. Like Garrett Wang... it was painful to watch her act.
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