This week on eBay, It's a Wrap! is auctioning off the Starfleet Academy Personnel Manifest cel (as seen beside Spock in the "Happy birthday" scene of ST II). Xon is listed as a captain based at the Academy, along with his office number.
Review "Forged in Fire" No Spoilers
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This week on eBay, It's a Wrap! is auctioning off the Starfleet Academy Personnel Manifest cel (as seen beside Spock in the "Happy birthday" scene of ST II). Xon is listed as a captain based at the Academy, along with his office number.
Two questions...
...actually three, first being, Therin what are you quoting?
anyway, moving on, just a couple questions for the creators from the detail-nut in me regarding Forged in Fire:
1.What race is Veret supposed to be? I guessed the dusted lady from Galdonterre is a Bajoran, but I couldn't figure out Veret. He's apparently got neck-gills, but I thought that maybe using someone like an Antedean to do covert sorts of stuff might not be the most inconspicuous. But seriously, was there a particular species in mind?
2. Early on in the book, around pg 23 I think, there's a reference to the Great Qu'vat Plague of 1462, what is 1462?
...actually three, first being, Therin what are you quoting?
anyway, moving on, just a couple questions for the creators from the detail-nut in me regarding Forged in Fire:
1.What race is Veret supposed to be? I guessed the dusted lady from Galdonterre is a Bajoran, but I couldn't figure out Veret. He's apparently got neck-gills, but I thought that maybe using someone like an Antedean to do covert sorts of stuff might not be the most inconspicuous. But seriously, was there a particular species in mind?
2. Early on in the book, around pg 23 I think, there's a reference to the Great Qu'vat Plague of 1462, what is 1462?
Don't get me started.
2363 = 989 Year of Kahless
2173 = 799 Year of Kahless
2218 = 844 Year of Kahless
2270 = 895 Year of Kahless
2295 = 921 Year of Kahless
2154 = 1462 Year of Kahless
Maybe it is 1462 by the Qu'Vat Colony calendar system.
It is a reference to the ENT episode Affliction, November 27, 2154 Archer time.
enough with the forehead thing I say
2363 = 989 Year of Kahless
2173 = 799 Year of Kahless
2218 = 844 Year of Kahless
2270 = 895 Year of Kahless
2295 = 921 Year of Kahless
2154 = 1462 Year of Kahless
Maybe it is 1462 by the Qu'Vat Colony calendar system.
It is a reference to the ENT episode Affliction, November 27, 2154 Archer time.
enough with the forehead thing I say
In fourteen hundred sixty-two,
Qu'Vat ailed from a great flu.
Sorry, I got nuttin'...
Qu'Vat ailed from a great flu.
Sorry, I got nuttin'...
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Finished reading Forged in Fire and I have to say that it is one of the best Trek books I have ever read. Even better then Sword of Damocles which was just a boring read... Just a few qualms about the book..
1) I don't buy the fact that Qagh had easy access to obtain the means to create his weapon.
2) Wouldn't Starfleet have been happy that Sulu, even though he defied orders, help resolve the situation and bring the Klingons and Humans closer together? Why didn't they make a big deal when Curzon went against orders?
3) Is the Ensign Paris shown towards the end the same one who becomes the father of Tom Paris?
4) What became of the Albino? Did Kang ever find him after meeting that woman?
All in all, a great book if a bit to long but the team of M and M have done it again.
Can't wait for Kobyashi maru.
Finished reading Forged in Fire and I have to say that it is one of the best Trek books I have ever read. Even better then Sword of Damocles which was just a boring read... Just a few qualms about the book..
1) I don't buy the fact that Qagh had easy access to obtain the means to create his weapon.
2) Wouldn't Starfleet have been happy that Sulu, even though he defied orders, help resolve the situation and bring the Klingons and Humans closer together? Why didn't they make a big deal when Curzon went against orders?
3) Is the Ensign Paris shown towards the end the same one who becomes the father of Tom Paris?
4) What became of the Albino? Did Kang ever find him after meeting that woman?
All in all, a great book if a bit to long but the team of M and M have done it again.
Can't wait for Kobyashi maru.
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That story was told in DS9's Blood Oath, as previously mentioned several times in, you know, this thread.
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Didn't want to read this thread while still reading the book...
That story was told in DS9's Blood Oath, as previously mentioned several times in, you know, this thread.
Didn't want to read this thread while still reading the book...
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I want a review blurb like this for my next book.
I want a review blurb like this for my next book.
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Dayton Ward;1398828I want a review blurb like this for my next book.[/QUOTE said:
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This may have been answered higher up in the thread, but in the next line the book refers to her having brown hair. Maybe she was a dirty blonde at that point?
One minor continuity quibble - at one point, Chapel brushes a strand of blonde hair out of her eyes. Isn't she a brunette in the movie-era? (And how lame am I for even asking that question??)
This may have been answered higher up in the thread, but in the next line the book refers to her having brown hair. Maybe she was a dirty blonde at that point?
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That's probably "Iron Mike" Paris, Tom's grandfather.
That's probably "Iron Mike" Paris, Tom's grandfather.
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I guess I am a dissenting opinion here as Forged in Fiure just didn't work for me. I enjoy M&M's other works and the Sundered is in my top 10 of all time Trek books but I had a hard time getting through this one. I think the reason was that because they chose to make this back story of the Klingons Three and the Albino, we were reading a story whose ending we already knew. Sometimes this can work but here I found myself rushing through to get to the next plot point.
I like the characters; I liked this incarnation of Curzon Dax and would love to see a new Captain Sulu novel but this one was a bit of a disappointment.
I guess I am a dissenting opinion here as Forged in Fiure just didn't work for me. I enjoy M&M's other works and the Sundered is in my top 10 of all time Trek books but I had a hard time getting through this one. I think the reason was that because they chose to make this back story of the Klingons Three and the Albino, we were reading a story whose ending we already knew. Sometimes this can work but here I found myself rushing through to get to the next plot point.
I like the characters; I liked this incarnation of Curzon Dax and would love to see a new Captain Sulu novel but this one was a bit of a disappointment.
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An enjoyable book. The jumping back and forth in the time line was unnecessary imo and confusing. I kept having to go back and double check what year it was.
That eventually settled down and became a pretty interesting story. It was tough because we know the whole conflict is pretty much going to end unresolved. You only feel any outside manipulation to write themselves out of an ending when Sulu and company corner Qagh, but then appear to completely forget to take out the rest of the hired goons in the base before cornering him.
Very much enjoyed the characterization of Styles. A tough, but fair guy. Cutler and her turnaround wasn't as believable.
The torture scene seemed needlessly graphic.
Er, not to assume too much, but you haven't seen the episode? Or been around the last many years when this book was talked about?
An enjoyable book. The jumping back and forth in the time line was unnecessary imo and confusing. I kept having to go back and double check what year it was.
That eventually settled down and became a pretty interesting story. It was tough because we know the whole conflict is pretty much going to end unresolved. You only feel any outside manipulation to write themselves out of an ending when Sulu and company corner Qagh, but then appear to completely forget to take out the rest of the hired goons in the base before cornering him.
Very much enjoyed the characterization of Styles. A tough, but fair guy. Cutler and her turnaround wasn't as believable.
The torture scene seemed needlessly graphic.
That story was told in DS9's Blood Oath, as previously mentioned several times in, you know, this thread.
Didn't want to read this thread while still reading the book...
Er, not to assume too much, but you haven't seen the episode? Or been around the last many years when this book was talked about?
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I like this book overall. Much better than "Rogue" which I believe was by the same authors. Although, I had a few similar problems between the two books. Sometimes it seems like things get repeated a little too much throughout the story. I liked it, though.
The only part I thought was a little too silly...
I like this book overall. Much better than "Rogue" which I believe was by the same authors. Although, I had a few similar problems between the two books. Sometimes it seems like things get repeated a little too much throughout the story. I liked it, though.
The only part I thought was a little too silly...
Sulu wanting Chapel to record her voice for the computer
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I found Forged in Fire an average read. Nothing was quite done badly, but there wasn't much spark either.
For such a long book, its plotline was surprising simple. I realize that tying in to "Blood Oath" creates some constraints for the narrative, but there wasn't enough in the way of complication for my tastes. Also, the two major strands were straight out of the Trek cliche handbook: (1) Non-Klingon Shows That His Species Can Be Honorable and (2) Heroic Starship Commander Saves Day By Defying Incompetent Superiors. Styles was nicely characterized, though, opposed to Sulu without seeming unreasonable about it. I regretted his abrupt death, but that was probably a better approach than giving him and Sulu some trite closure.
Most of the characterizations in the book seemed flat as well. The Klingons spouted their usual rigamarole about honor, Sulu was a driven yet cautious commander. Chapel showed a bit of life now and then, but didn't have much to do. Qagh was pretty much your generic ruthless baddie. (I thought the brutality of the torture scene was acceptable; if nothing else, it interested more than the other things going on around it.)
The length of the book emerges, then, not from complexity of plot or character but from throwing in a lot of continuity-expanding material, not all of it terribly well-integrated.
I also felt that Qagh's backstory took up a bit too much space vis-a-vis its simplicity and lack of relevance to the ultimate resolution. I imagine all this story was meant to create an epic feel, but for me it simply came across as disjointed.
I found Forged in Fire an average read. Nothing was quite done badly, but there wasn't much spark either.
For such a long book, its plotline was surprising simple. I realize that tying in to "Blood Oath" creates some constraints for the narrative, but there wasn't enough in the way of complication for my tastes. Also, the two major strands were straight out of the Trek cliche handbook: (1) Non-Klingon Shows That His Species Can Be Honorable and (2) Heroic Starship Commander Saves Day By Defying Incompetent Superiors. Styles was nicely characterized, though, opposed to Sulu without seeming unreasonable about it. I regretted his abrupt death, but that was probably a better approach than giving him and Sulu some trite closure.
Most of the characterizations in the book seemed flat as well. The Klingons spouted their usual rigamarole about honor, Sulu was a driven yet cautious commander. Chapel showed a bit of life now and then, but didn't have much to do. Qagh was pretty much your generic ruthless baddie. (I thought the brutality of the torture scene was acceptable; if nothing else, it interested more than the other things going on around it.)
The length of the book emerges, then, not from complexity of plot or character but from throwing in a lot of continuity-expanding material, not all of it terribly well-integrated.
Having Qagh's illness emerge from an attempt to deal with the ridges thing was a nice touch, but I didn't feel that the rest of the forehead fix material had enough to do with the story of the Albino. It felt like it was there for the sake of tying up the last loose ends from the Great Forehead Saga.
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Nope. Never saw the episode.
That story was told in DS9's Blood Oath, as previously mentioned several times in, you know, this thread.
Didn't want to read this thread while still reading the book...
Er, not to assume too much, but you haven't seen the episode? Or been around the last many years when this book was talked about?
Nope. Never saw the episode.
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