Review "Forged in Fire" No Spoilers
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I know that Sulu and Kang had mutual respect for each other shown in the aforementioned "Flashback" I just thought it an interesting addition to the story that Sulu was included and to use his inclusion to show his first mission as Excelsior's CO (albeit Acting CO). I loved the references and nods to TOS particularly Christine Chapel's line about the skirts and how they were still used briefly in the Fleet...and it was also cool to see the follow up to the two tribble episodes! I regard both Andy and Micheal as being in my top five Trek authors and very much looking forward to reading their upcoming Kobyashi Maru book! I just wish we didn't have to wait half a year for it!
Just finished the book earlier tonight/this morning, and all I can say is 'WOW'! Excellent work by the authors yet again. Too bad Kobayashi Maru isn't right around the corner time-wise.
More Cpt. Sulu please? He's becoming just as much of a favorite as Kirk and the other series' Captains, IMO of course.
To KRAD - Thanks for reminding me about the glossaries, too bad most of my 'older' novels are still in storage from a recent move.
More Cpt. Sulu please? He's becoming just as much of a favorite as Kirk and the other series' Captains, IMO of course.
To KRAD - Thanks for reminding me about the glossaries, too bad most of my 'older' novels are still in storage from a recent move.
Finished this book last night - absolutely LOVED it, and although the Trek publishihng schedule is already over-crowded with different series, I now want a regular series of Sulu/Excelsior books.
KRAD - thanks for the tip about Curzon in The Art of the Impossible. I own this book but have not read it yet; I'll move it to the top of the "to read" pile.
One minor continuity quibble - at one point, Chapel brushes a strand of blonde hair out of her eyes. Isn't she a brunette in the movie-era? (And how lame am I for even asking that question??
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KRAD - thanks for the tip about Curzon in The Art of the Impossible. I own this book but have not read it yet; I'll move it to the top of the "to read" pile.
One minor continuity quibble - at one point, Chapel brushes a strand of blonde hair out of her eyes. Isn't she a brunette in the movie-era? (And how lame am I for even asking that question??
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KRAD said:
^ Sulu wasn't mentioned in "Blood Oath," no, but the episode itself actually was rather parsimonious with specifics -- for good reason, since it happened eight decades prior to the episode, and all four people were there and so didn't need to recount it.
Trust me, everything that happened in Forged in Fire is consistent with what happened in "Blood Oath."
Just finished the book, and definitely enjoyed it. After how good the book was, though, I rewatched the old DS9 episode, and was kinda let down by the episode. It was alright, but I think the book was just so good that the episode felt washed out by comparison. The Albino character in the episode, for example, wasn't nearly as interesting there now that we had the whole backstory from the book. Episode just felt like a crappy ending to a good book. That's a credit to the authors, who took a few details and dropped names, and made quite a backstory out of it!
Can't put into words how much I enjoyed Forged In Fire. Seems like Martin & Mangels are on fire with their last three Trek outings (Last Full Measure, The Good That Men Do and Forged In Fire).
I loved how they were able to weave all the different era's together without it feeling forced.
Kobayashi Maru is a definite buy later this year.
I loved how they were able to weave all the different era's together without it feeling forced.
Kobayashi Maru is a definite buy later this year.
I've been meaning to rerun the episode myself, since reading "Forged in Fire". I'd been very resistent to DS9; it felt unneccessary to be in competition with TNG, but "Blood Oath" was definitely my turning point. Terry Farrell was brilliant in this episode - I really liked her sense of humour and cameraderie, and Michael Ansara was so chillingly familiar as Kang.
And Kor, and that amazing theatrical voice...
(My only regret was never being able to see Kirk take on the three TOS Klingons all at once.)
I do remember that the Albino isn't well-developed in the TV episode, but the focus was on the three Klingons and Dax, and that was a good thing. And the whole episode had me wondering what awful motives the Albino had for killing off first-born children.
I hope I enjoy rewatching it. I'll do it today.
Eh, I thought the episode was alright, and the Klingons were good in it. You got the right sense about how they spent their lives chasing the Albino, and the different ways it affected them. Dax was good with the Klingons, but overall, felt really wooden and stiff. Maybe I need to watch more early DS9, she could have been like that a lot until she got comfortable with the character, but overall, thought Dax kinda sucked in this one. Only really sparked interest when Terry was playing Jadzia playing Curzon...
Just the Albino himself was such a washed-out, generic 'villian' in the episode, that it contrasts sharply with the smart, well-thought-out, and REAL character that is in the book. The guy in the episode is practically twirling his moustache, and they never bother to do much with WHY he's doing what he's doing....
Just the Albino himself was such a washed-out, generic 'villian' in the episode, that it contrasts sharply with the smart, well-thought-out, and REAL character that is in the book. The guy in the episode is practically twirling his moustache, and they never bother to do much with WHY he's doing what he's doing....
^^I can't blame the episode for failing to develop the Albino, because the story wasn't really about him. The emphasis was on Kor, Kang, Koloth, and their interactions with Dax; in a 42-minute story, there wasn't much room for anything else. He was basically just the McGuffin.
Which was fine, because the unanswered questions it raised made this novel possible. So it all balances out.
Which was fine, because the unanswered questions it raised made this novel possible. So it all balances out.
I agree...we need more Captain Sulu novels, thought this was a particularly interesting way for us to find out how Sulu took command of the Excelsior. I was always under the impression that at some point between "The Final Frontier" and "The Undiscovered Country" he finally got that promotion to Captain and was assigned command of Excelsior. I like this explainaion better though, it makes sense.
Yeah I found myself a little disapointed by "Blood Oath" now that we have this excellent book! As Christorpher pointed out in his post...he was a plot device for that episode, we get to read about his exploits and the chase after him in the book!!
Yeah I found myself a little disapointed by "Blood Oath" now that we have this excellent book! As Christorpher pointed out in his post...he was a plot device for that episode, we get to read about his exploits and the chase after him in the book!!
I generally liked this book. M&M have stepped into the Reeves-Stevens' place of writing complex detailed exciting Star Trek fiction, well grounded in the details of episodes and characters. I actually bought this book [with a 30% off coupon] which is a big :thumbsup: from me.
IT was a little wordy somethings, overly written, as if an editor hadn't really gone through the manuscript and trimmed some things a bit. I want the eBook version so I can search out how many times the swagger stick gets a mention!
IT was a little wordy somethings, overly written, as if an editor hadn't really gone through the manuscript and trimmed some things a bit. I want the eBook version so I can search out how many times the swagger stick gets a mention!
I just finished the book myself and overall I thought it was entertaining. It started off a bit slow, but things definately kicked into high gear and it stayed that way through the end.
I loved this book. Exciting story and Martin/Mangels have a knack for throwing in tid bits from TAS and other books with me saying to my self "ok, i get it, you've watched a few star trek episodes, can we move on with the story". I thought it started off strong and kept up a fast pace.
I like how they can do something like explain how the Trill look different in "The Host" from every appearance and it's just a throw away line.
How Sulu became captain was a surprise as well.
All in all it was a great read.
I like how they can do something like explain how the Trill look different in "The Host" from every appearance and it's just a throw away line.
How Sulu became captain was a surprise as well.
All in all it was a great read.
It's funny...the Captain & starship most people wanted to see as the next Trek (instead of Enterprise) is the least written about, yet when a book with Sulu as the 'star' is published we all go ape for it. Doesn't that tell you something???
Loving it by the way!!!!
Loving it by the way!!!!
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