Remember The Short Skirt Guys?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Dryson, Mar 2, 2020.

  1. Tim Walker

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    As Scotty wore a kilt in at least one episode, I think it fair to make a few comments about kilting.

    Utility kilts have been described as the blue jeans of kilts. An important difference is that utility kilts tend to have excellent pockets-no need for a sporran. Utility kilts can be cooler than shorts because of the ventilation; during the hottest days of summer shorts can very effectively hold the heat in at the crotch, resulting in sweaty underwear.

    Variants of utility kilts are now being offered by companies in the United States, Scotland, Wales, and Sweden.

    Traditional kilts include two different versions in Scotland; the type that drapes over a shoulder, and the type that does not. I would also include the Irish kilts in this category.
     
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  2. Nakita Akita

    Nakita Akita Commodore Commodore

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    If you look at Ohura on TOS, I'm pretty sure she is experiencing that same sensation with her tiny little dress when she sits down.
     
  3. RAMA

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    It's not that bad dude...

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  4. Tim Walker

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    I think that I should explain myself.

    I had long thought that kilts looked cool. As a middle aged American male it was a novelty wear something other than pants. I experimented a bit.

    To summarize, I doubt that you could persuade a significant number of males to wear much of anything shorter than knee length.

    Of the men involved in the production of early TNG, I doubt that any of them had worn anything other than pants. (Other than those few extras).
     
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  5. Orphalesion

    Orphalesion Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    No need to explain anything as far as I'm concerned. I'm a guy and I'm wearing an ankle-length, boho-style wrap-skirt right now as I'm typing this. I five altogether and I wear them all the time during warm weather. The only things I don't wear them to are work (because it wouldn't match the dress-code, even for a woman), first dates and physical activities such as hiking.
    It's the 21st century, everybody can wear whatever they like.

    But I agree that I wouldn't wear anything shorter than knee length. Especially nothing as tight as those skants.
     
  6. Tim Walker

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    I don't know much about women's fashion. But because this occurred during my youth, I can't discount the idea that mini-skirts might again become fashionable for young women. (Which was apparently the idea in TOS).
     
  7. JesterFace

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    I wonder, how many centuries might we have to move into the future when people start wondering why people from our era were wondering why skirts were not used by men.
     
  8. Tim Walker

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    In the United States, there was a movement for women to wear "bloomers" in the mid 19th century. In the late 19th century, it became acceptable for women to wear a variant as athletic wear. For example, when riding the new fangled bicycles.

    Back during the early 1960s, when I was a small child, women were still mostly wearing skirts/dresses.

    So basically, about a century before change moved beyond niche applications.
     
  9. JRoss

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    I don't think that "humans" all consider skirts and dresses only for men. I think it's certain cultures. I mean, one of my Fijian friends wears this dress-type garment sometimes. And all the Tongan/Tuvaluan guys in my old neighborhood would wear them to their church every Sunday. In Scotland you have the Kilt.Middle Eastern robes look kinda like dresses to me, as wwell as several African and Asian garments.

    I personally hate wearing pants. They feel restrictive. I don't want anything exposed, like yu'd get with a skirt, so I wear baggy shorts.
     
  10. Orphalesion

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    If the skirt is long enough, nothing gets exposed.
     
  11. Awesome Possum

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    I just figured that 24th century humans had gotten over the concept that certain clothes were exclusive to one gender. It's stupid now and already starting to be ignored by younger generations. In a few generations we'll likely have gotten past it. Gender norms change constantly. Back in the early 1900s, boys wore pink and girls wore blue. The idea that current norms will last forever is ignorant of history and how quickly norms change.
     
  12. Imaus

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    Heck all it needs to be is a bit weighted at the hem and have those cuts on the side for mobility. If it's just a single fabric, light skirt, sure it's gonna go which where.I'm surprised, that, (to my knowledge) weighted hems and those side-cuts for mobility haven't taken off, and this is just me extrapolating from what I like in my long jackets.

    Edit: Dress Weights, apparently, exist.
     
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  13. Awesome Possum

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    I know some guys who made this uniform, then they made a Love Boat version of it for reasons I never got. Most likely alcohol inspired it.
     
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  14. fireproof78

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    It's fashion. It doesn't have to make sense.
     
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  15. somebuddyx

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    The skant would have only worked if they were committed to it and put at least one of the regular males into it, otherwise it's just an outlier. I don't like it but I never liked the TNG miniskirts either, although I think Deanna looks much better in AGT than EAF
     
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  16. JRoss

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    Sure, I get it. And I'd love to wear a utilikilt around. But I work in an elementary school. Skirt'length garments aren't appropriate for adults of either gender in that environment. Especially not in the special ed departments I work in. That is just asking for trouble.
     
  17. JesterFace

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    Fashion, one day something is in and the next day it's out.... until it's in again before going out of style again, etc.
     
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    Speaking of which, I keep waiting for the return of white powdered wigs and jabots. I'm certainly not going to be the trailblazer in that regard, but I'll be ready when the time finally comes. :cool:

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  19. Norwegian_imposter

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    The skirts are fine. I actually thought it was really progressive. Wesley crusher not wearing a uniform is the main issue for me.
     
  20. Nakita Akita

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    He wore a uniform when they finally made him an ensign. Prior to that he was a 'civilian' worker. Guinan, for example, didn't wear a uniform because she was a civilian worker.