"Remastered"

[Ssosmcin]

I wouldn't complain either, the newer effects can look pretty great on the big screen. I remember being pretty impressed with the theatrical showing of The Menagerie. As long as I have the original effects to choose from in my own home library, I'm good to go. I would just watch the TOS-R versions more if the things that bugged me weren't there.

 

[Kor]

Back in 2007 (or whenever they first premiered) the effects looked pretty good broadcast to my SD TV. They simply don't hold up at all on my 50" 4K TV. The original effects actually look better to my eye. Not as sharp, but better. Sharpness is one of the problems with the new effects.

Ditto. The CGI stuff looked better in SD than on a big HD TV.

Kor

 

[Kemaiku]

The first 10 episodes used a much higer pass of the model and would have stood up better at least for that. But it was taking far too long to render, so they went down to a much lower render pass to do the remaining episodes, hence the weird appearance of those 10 compared to the rest.

Those stuck very closely to the original scenes, but they don't look all that good either, as they had even more issues (like the nacelle cap animation).

 

[Shalashaska]

Obligatory correction: The new FX shots were not "remastered." Remastering means going back to the original negative and creating the cleanest, best possible copy from it. The "Remastered" in TOS-R refers to the live-action footage, which was digitally remastered for maximum quality and clarity, as is usually done with new releases of old material. They couldn't remaster the FX shots for HD, because they didn't have access to the original film elements, so they had to recreate them instead. So the parts that everyone calls "remastered" are actually the only parts that aren't remastered.

This. Remastering involves a lot more than just making new FX shots.

The remastering itself was fantastic, the new CG effects are a bit worse for wear though. Not terrible by any means, they just looked very artificial when I watched the full series recently on Netflix.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

I'd call them a mixed bag, by and large I like the matte shots, but the D-7 mesh is a wreck as is the texture job on them for "The Enterprise Incident", yes include the bird of prey on their bellies, but don't wrap the tail feathers, up the back of the engineering hull and for sanity's sake don't wrap the bird's head and neck under the connection of the boom an hull. While I like seeing TAS designs used picking the cargo drone for the Antares was a mistake the obvious go to was Huron, but the drone killed two birds with one stone Antares and Woden. I also disagree with the Jein BS numbers for the various Constitutions I do like the small Medusan ship and the Gorn

 

[JE Smith]

Given the liberties that were taken with remastering the effects it seems a little odd to be purists about the aspect ratio.

I would suggest that's because "effects" make up about 8% of the series, while the aspect ration makes up 100% of the series. The huge amount of visual information you're losing (not to mention fouling up the original shot compositions) is not worth having it fill up the entire screen, IMHO.

Sorry, I posted in haste before reading Ovation's better-written response. :/

 

[RAMA]

Gotta love the irony.

Yup. The CGI model was closer to the actual physical model than what appears in the show because of the bleed through blue screen lighting of the time. It's incredibly ironic that the vocal minority complain about it.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

If only you were serious.
"New" Does not automatically mean "better" you know.

In all those cases plus the remaster, it does.

 

[urbandefault]

Yup. The CGI model was closer to the actual physical model than what appears in the show because of the bleed through blue screen lighting of the time. It's incredibly ironic that the vocal minority complain about it.

RAMA

Actually, I meant the irony of watching the crappy CGI ship with the real thing right there.

It's kinda ironic that you missed the irony.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I would suggest that's because "effects" make up about 8% of the series, while the aspect ration makes up 100% of the series. The huge amount of visual information you're losing (not to mention fouling up the original shot compositions) is not worth having it fill up the entire screen, IMHO.

Sorry, I posted in haste before reading Ovation's better-written response. :/

There's no concern over the lost shot compositions of the effects though? The effects team didn't simply recreate the original work but often changed it outright. I'm not a fan of changing the aspect ratio but it just seems funny to be precious about the one but not the other.

It all seems to have worked out either way. The goal was so Trek would work in HD and given the fact that I see Trek show up everywhere it seems to have worked. I am curious though if that is because of the conversion or not but that is something I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[RAMA]

Actually, I meant the irony of watching the crappy CGI ship with the real thing right there.

It's kinda ironic that you missed the irony.

Um...actually no. I was just pointing out the REAL irony. Guess you missed it.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the BB I guess.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Ditto. The CGI stuff looked better in SD than on a big HD TV.

Kor

Nope, it's easier to appreciate them blown up on a big screen. I thought both the episodes and the screen caps from the 2006+ airing in syndication looked significantly worse than the beautiful new FX uprezzed on a 4K TV(which were designed for 1080p and slightly overscaled by comparison). People were looking at 480p screen caps at the time from compressed youtube videos and were saying it looked awful while I was snickering at their delusions.

RAMA

 

[Warped9]

Rama has drank deeply of the Kool-Aid. He is now lost.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

It's kinda ironic that you missed the irony.

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[kkt]

Yup. The CGI model was closer to the actual physical model than what appears in the show because of the bleed through blue screen lighting of the time. It's incredibly ironic that the vocal minority complain about it.

Or, they wanted the bluish tinted white, and because the visual effects people from TOS weren't idiots, they knew that the easiest way to achieve that would be a light grey model with bluish light from the blue screen. If they wanted a dark grey Enterprise and the blue tint was just an accident, they would surely have changed it from the first pilot to the second, or when the regular series started, or certainly when they were coloring the animated Enterprise.

And how do you know what the majority of Star Trek fans would like to see? Has there been a poll?

 

[SuperdudeAbides]

Personally. I love both the old practical effects and the new CGI, if they had both I think I'd prefer it. (Where you could watch it either way)

Just the other day I was watching with my wife and noted how beautiful the Enterprise looked with the new updated effects, but said I was sad at the same time because it wasn't the same as it was when I grew up watching it.
That said, isn't Trek about growing and evolving and accepting change? Well I am happy I can still watch and enjoy Trek in any format.

 

[DonIago]

...they do have both.

 

[BillJ]

Personally. I love both the old practical effects and the new CGI, if they had both I think I'd prefer it. (Where you could watch it either way)

Both versions exist on the Blu-ray sets.

 

[SuperdudeAbides]

Well there ya go. So errbody is happy then.

 

[Nebusj]

Well there ya go. So errbody is happy then.

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