Regarding the plot [SPOILERS obviously]
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Except, as I mentioned, it threw me right out of the movie and back into the real world more than once. It kept me from loving it as much as I may have. It keeps TFA, IMHO, from ever being on the level of an OT film.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. A New Hope did it first and better.
I disagree entirely for the same reason... the prequels. The prequels, despite the critical drubbing, were money-making machines. They still are. To an entire generation of kids, they are Star Wars. The prequels proved that even sub-par Star Wars will bring in bank. I'm obviously not implying that they should just phone it in and deliver prequel-style garbage and just cash the check, but it shows that there was absolutely no reason to play it so safe with the story. If you make a Star Wars movie, people will come and see it. Right from the first announcements, it was apparent that this movie was going to be enormous. In that case, why not be a little more daring and original with the story? Just make it a Star Wars story.
All that said, I saw it again today, and it wasn't nearly as much of an issue this time through. As I said up thread, it never was a total deal-breaker for me anyway.
Maybe for you. I actually started laughing, and not in the good way, when the X-wings just HAD to dive into a trench to complete their attack on the Starkiller weapon. Completely ripped me out of the film. It was another big neon sign screaming "See, we made a Star Wars! Aren't we cool!"
I agree about the characters, mostly. I found Rey mostly uninspiring thus far, but I liked Finn. Nice to have a believable everyman in the cast, and Boyega (hope I spelled that right) played him with charm. And BB-8 is a fantastic new take on the droid buddy. Less foul-mouthed know it all (R2), and more faithful dog. (And yes, I know that characterization of R2 is entirely in my own headcanon, but there ya go.)
The new characters were enough to overcome the film's plot related deficiencies this time around, but if Episode 8 is another straight plot lift I'm calling extreme bullpucky.
Honestly, when they revealed the super weapon, I was fully expecting someone to say, "That's no space station. That's a MOON!"
It was very similar to ANH, but I actually didn't think too much about until after I left the movie. There was enough new stuff and enough left open for the sequels for me to not be bothered by the similarities.
I mean, most of us have probably seen ANH a thousand times (many probably watched the whole series sometime in the last few weeks to prepare for TFA), but we have to remember that it actually came out in theaters almost 40 years ago!
I'm intrigued to see where it goes.
It was very similar to ANH, but I actually didn't think too much about until after I left the movie. There was enough new stuff and enough left open for the sequels for me to not be bothered by the similarities.
I mean, most of us have probably seen ANH a thousand times (many probably watched the whole series sometime in the last few weeks to prepare for TFA), but we have to remember that it actually came out in theaters almost 40 years ago!
I'm intrigued to see where it goes.
Except he was 16 when Star Trek II came out.
I guess that is technically childhood.
TFA steals much more from ANH/the OT than STID steals from TWOK. Most of STID's plot isn't anything like TWOK.
Except he was 16 when Star Trek II came out.
I guess that is technically childhood.
TFA steals much more from ANH/the OT than STID steals from TWOK. Most of STID's plot isn't anything like TWOK.
No, but STID rips off TWOK much more egregiously and blatantly and in a largely "GET IT?!" sort of way.
TFA may be overall more of a copy, but STID did the "Khannnn!!!!!!" thing with Spock (which wasn't earned, unlike in the TWK given the history between Kirk and Khan) and the "death of Kirk" which didn't have nearly the same emotional impact as Spock's death and then aborts it by Bones coming up with a cure for death! By manipulating Khan's blood with a Tribble.
Ugh.... I mean, that means in the "Abram's Universe" in Kirk's era they've come up with technology that makes irrelevant warp travel (considering Scotty's transporter theories means people can beam across insanely vast distances) but also makes irrelevant all of medical science since Khan's blood can be manipulated to fucking cure severe radiation exposure and death!
Sorry, I'll take all of the problems with TFA over all of that bullshit any day of the day of the week.
This is a good read, and mirrors my experience pretty much exactly, right down to the 2nd viewing experience.
Except he was 16 when Star Trek II came out.
I guess that is technically childhood.
TFA steals much more from ANH/the OT than STID steals from TWOK. Most of STID's plot isn't anything like TWOK.
No, but STID rips off TWOK much more egregiously and blatantly and in a largely "GET IT?!" sort of way.
TFA may be overall more of a copy, but STID did the "Khannnn!!!!!!" thing with Spock (which wasn't earned, unlike in the TWK given the history between Kirk and Khan) and the "death of Kirk" which didn't have nearly the same emotional impact as Spock's death and then aborts it by Bones coming up with a cure for death! By manipulating Khan's blood with a Tribble.
Ugh.... I mean, that means in the "Abram's Universe" in Kirk's era they've come up with technology that makes irrelevant warp travel (considering Scotty's transporter theories means people can beam across insanely vast distances) but also makes irrelevant all of medical science since Khan's blood can be manipulated to fucking cure severe radiation exposure and death!
Sorry, I'll take all of the problems with TFA over all of that bullshit any day of the day of the week.
Well Gary Seven was teleported over light years in Assignment: Earth but it seems like people kind of forgot about that. And it's funny, as soon as the news broke about Abrams directing TFA people said he wasn't a fan of Star Trwek and that's why those movie turned out the way they did. But since he was a fan of Star Wars people had no problems with him directing TFA.
Star Wars was meant to be a homage to the old serials and IMO TFA certainly doesn't have that feel. It feels like a modern sci-fi movie.
Cracked weighs in on the plot.
This is something that I notice more on social media, and to a smaller extent here on the board, but, is it just me, but are some TFA fans just a bit fragile concerning criticism of The Force Awakens? I mean, I've seen it multiple times and enjoyed it each time, but I recognize that it is not a perfect movie and it is not above criticism. No movie is (Well, Maybe The Empire Strikes Back...
)
But, to some, speaking ill of the movie is akin to torturing puppies. Different strokes and all, ya' know...?
This is something that I notice more on social media, and to a smaller extent here on the board, but, is it just me, but are some TFA fans just a bit fragile concerning criticism of The Force Awakens? I mean, I've seen it multiple times and enjoyed it each time, but I recognize that it is not a perfect movie and it is not above criticism. No movie is (Well, Maybe The Empire Strikes Back...
)But, to some, speaking ill of the movie is akin to torturing puppies. Different strokes and all, ya' know...?
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