Actually, I doubt that only because it was a design that Spock couldn't identify (stated in dialog); and (also stated) was a ship designed/modified specifically for a suicide mission. Ergo, it shouldn't look like anything seen before.
Redo the Friday's Child Klingon ship?
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Actually, I doubt that only because it was a design that Spock couldn't identify (stated in dialog); and (also stated) was a ship designed/modified specifically for a suicide mission. Ergo, it shouldn't look like anything seen before.
I got the impression that the coloring effect was a method specifically used to hide the appearance and class for the ship.
I thought that was a Klingon ship?
That was Bounty. Bound is the one with the Orion slave girls. I think he's thinking of the ships from Borderland, though, which looked similar to a bird of prey.
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More or less. The Orion ship in "Bound" captained by the guy who finally revealed the female-dominated nature of the Orion slave culture to Archer...THAT kind of Orion vessel.
More or less. The Orion ship in "Bound" captained by the guy who finally revealed the female-dominated nature of the Orion slave culture to Archer...THAT kind of Orion vessel.
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This is a low poly concept that same ship I had done a year or so ago. I tried to cross proportions with what Jefferies had as a one-persion Starfleet space-tug, so the operator would be in an upright position in that little upright area.
The nice thing about this idea is that, from certain angles, you could come up with a horseshoe crab motif (which is more apparent in the top view,) albeit with an upswept tail that would likley break it's back.
I would love to see something like that in the Remastered episode. :thumbsup:
Whatever they choose to go with, the new Klingon ship had better retain the basic shape and color of the original. They can texture it with a detailed skin/hull plating and add as many windows as they want.
If they replace the ship with a standard D7 Klingon battle cruiser, I'll be a little sad. If they replace the ship with a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, I'll be very angry.
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They should just redo "Bob the Discount Klingon." 
They should use their battlecruiser they did for TTWTS
They shouldn't use the Orion ship from "Enterprise," but not for this reason.
The Orion pirates were hiding their origin, so their ship shouldn't look like any other Orion ship. There's nothing inherently wrong with basing a ship on something we've seen in Enterprise or TNG, as long as it doesn't violate anything important in TOS. They shouldn't do a TMP-style hyperdetailed Klingon battlecruiser, for example.
One point is that the Orion ship was very small. They were hiding its size and power from the ship sensors (I think that's what the glowing energy was, although I'd be curious to see what their interpretation will be when they recreate Journey to Babel).
Good Will Riker said:
They should just redo "Bob the Discount Klingon."
Making him a foot taller and a little less like Tony Shalhoub with a bad toothache wouldn't hurt.
Probably wouldn't help ENOUGH, either...but...oh well. That's one of those rock-bottom characters you try to ignore more than explain away or change.
i say redo it. i think there's a tendency to be a bit too respectful of the original effects when approaching this sort of thing - they're already redoing the effects, why not make it consistent with other episodes? a new, improved flatiron seems like a complete waste of time & energy. a CGI D-7 seems to me to be the way to go w/ this.
I tend to think that the Klingon ship was something smaller than a D7 (which is why they backed down so easily when the Enterprise finally decided to confront it).
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you guys are absolutely right, my mistake. doesn't kras say something like "...a small scout ship, captain" when kirk is holding that knife to his throat?
it'd be pretty cool to a CGI klingon scout of the era, maybe a matt jeffires-style precursor to the bird of prey seen in TSFS. i definitely want to see something besides a flatiron...
you guys are absolutely right, my mistake. doesn't kras say something like "...a small scout ship, captain" when kirk is holding that knife to his throat?
it'd be pretty cool to a CGI klingon scout of the era, maybe a matt jeffires-style precursor to the bird of prey seen in TSFS. i definitely want to see something besides a flatiron...
I'm going a little off topic but...
I have always loved the idea of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey being a collaboration between the Romulans and Klingons. In "The Search for Spock", the script called for a line mentioning that the Bird-of-Prey was a stolen Romulan ship. You could tell by the name alone and the red bird markings. One could also see a little of the D7 class ships the Romulans got in exchange for their cloaking device. It pissed me off when Rick Berman and Brannon Braga wanted to claim that the Klingons had them the whole time. Were they that lazy to come up with something new or even pre D7 ships? Even the so-called D5 Klingon battle cruisers we saw late in the series, looked like they were simply larger Bird-of-Preys. I had a hard time believing this was a precursor to the D7. Fuck ENT. This is TOS. The movie era Bird-of-Prey came later and as far as I'm concerned, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey wasn't around during "Friday's Child".
I'm Pro-Flatiron. I definitely don't want to see another Bird-of-Prey this time. Sick to death of the Klingon BoPs. We saw enough of those in DS9.
I have always loved the idea of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey being a collaboration between the Romulans and Klingons. In "The Search for Spock", the script called for a line mentioning that the Bird-of-Prey was a stolen Romulan ship. You could tell by the name alone and the red bird markings. One could also see a little of the D7 class ships the Romulans got in exchange for their cloaking device. It pissed me off when Rick Berman and Brannon Braga wanted to claim that the Klingons had them the whole time. Were they that lazy to come up with something new or even pre D7 ships? Even the so-called D5 Klingon battle cruisers we saw late in the series, looked like they were simply larger Bird-of-Preys. I had a hard time believing this was a precursor to the D7. Fuck ENT. This is TOS. The movie era Bird-of-Prey came later and as far as I'm concerned, the Klingon Bird-of-Prey wasn't around during "Friday's Child".
I'm Pro-Flatiron. I definitely don't want to see another Bird-of-Prey this time. Sick to death of the Klingon BoPs. We saw enough of those in DS9.
One point about the Bird of Preys from Enterprise. While very close to later Bird of Preys, there were some subtle differences I liked. For starters, they were a bit longer and thinner (sort of a combination between a Bird of Prey and a D7, the wings definitely weren't longer than the ship), its nacelles weren't built into the ship (one thing Jefferies believed was that the engines were so powerful that they were kept seperate. The Bird of Prey from The Search for Spock was one of the first designs that broke from this), and, finally, it did not have a bird painting on it.
When the Klingon Bird of Prey decloaked, it was immediately identified as a Klingon Bird of Prey. If Kruge stole the ship, Sulu would have said Romulan Bird of Prey.
That being said, I don't really want another Bird of Prey anyway. You are right that they've been overdone. Plus its an opportunity for another ship design. In Enterprise, they had scout ships that were entirely seperate from Bird of Preys. TOS could easily be the same.
When the Klingon Bird of Prey decloaked, it was immediately identified as a Klingon Bird of Prey. If Kruge stole the ship, Sulu would have said Romulan Bird of Prey.
That being said, I don't really want another Bird of Prey anyway. You are right that they've been overdone. Plus its an opportunity for another ship design. In Enterprise, they had scout ships that were entirely seperate from Bird of Preys. TOS could easily be the same.
I *hate* the idea of Klingons using Birds of Prey, particularly before any collaboration with the Romulans. It's just so stupid and unecessary. Let the Klingons have their own aesthetic.
And for God's sake, no inserted shots of ships doing combat at a range of 5 feet. It was a mistake in TWOK, it was a mistake in all the later Treks. If I wanted to see ships slugging it out at slingshot range, I'd watch a miniseries on the Punic Wars.
And for God's sake, no inserted shots of ships doing combat at a range of 5 feet. It was a mistake in TWOK, it was a mistake in all the later Treks. If I wanted to see ships slugging it out at slingshot range, I'd watch a miniseries on the Punic Wars.
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