RedLetterMedia on the Current State of Star Wars and it's Fandom
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I enjoy Mike and Jay's videos a lot, but when it comes to Star Wars... Ever since day one they've taken this weird stance on it, like they friggin' own the franchise and asserted themselves as some ultimate authority on what Star Wars is, should be, how it should and shouldn't develop in the future. They've also been ridiculing the fan base pretty cynically (and not just the angry entitled Internet warriors, they've made fun of all of us, and not in a cute charming way either).
So you'll need to forgive me for not giving a shit about their opinions on the current state of Star Wars.
So you'll need to forgive me for not giving a shit about their opinions on the current state of Star Wars.
No, it's actually a perfectly reasonable request to make of someone who's not a troll just seeking to provoke and who actually wants to encourage discussion, so obviously you'd reject it as ridiculous.
I watched the relevant Star Wars portion of the video, and while it was stupid and dismissive as so many of RLM's videos are, it lacked the racism, homophobia, and misogyny that are hallmarks of most of your Star Wars complaints, so I wonder what made you like it so much, other than just the negativity? Do you just pathetically like anything anti-Star Wars without thinking and share it here?
No, not really. Some fanboys who won't sod off with their infantile "Orville is real Star Trek" BS sure could look into getting a life, but they're nowhere near as nasty and as toxic as all those SW "fans" who take their own insecurities out on people like Kelly Marie Tran and keep complaining about Kennedy's "feminazi agenda" and whatnot.
Searching for fucks to give about what RedLetterMedia thinks.
Sorry, fresh out.
Sorry, fresh out.
I suppose that's the new Trek equivalent of the "still a better romance than Twilight?" catch-phrase?
I'm inclined to defend them because their show "Half in the Bag" is highly entertaining and they're not afraid to express unpopular or potentially problematic opinions, which isn't all that common nowadays.
But Star Wars is a whole other story. Their fans ripped them for excessively praising TFA, so they thoroughly trashed Rogue One just to appease them, which cost them a lot of credibility. That Rogue One review was possibly the shittiest video they ever made, full of over the top, cringeworthy bullshit.
You've just described some of the more vocal, pro-Disney/Star Wars fans, who jump in to spit out angry comments about the RLM hosts--essentially for "daring" criticize Star Wars. In this thread alone, the RLM hosts have been derided for nothing more than expressing their opinion, which (in theory) seems to stem from the fact RLM had earned some media attention for a few of their videos, to the point where they are often cited in debates about SW, thus their influence (whatever that may be) might feel...threatening to certain fans. I would suggest if one channel's analysis of the SW films generates this kind of blowback, then they must have hit a nerve resting near an uncomfortable truth.
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Their schlocky b-movie series reaction/review series Best of the Worst is pretty damn entertaining (although the occasional sexist/homophobic joke is infuriating), as is the infomercial/instructional video/other straight-to-video '90s nonsense spin-off Wheel of the Worst and their retrospective review series re:View.
Half in the Bag, though, is sometimes just filled with a smug "nearly everything made after the '80s is complete shit" attitude that extends well beyond their feelings on Star Wars. Although their Star Wars views (coupled with the increasingly toxic fandom and RLM's famous prequel commentaries that first put them on the map) just makes that more pronounced.
I enjoy a lot of their output despite most of them being rather problematic (I can't recall the bald dude ever saying anything problematic, and he always seems embarrassed when others do), but I find Half in the Bag not worth the time or energy. If I wanted to hear "nearly everything made after the '80s is complete shit" nonsense coupled with sexist and homophobic remarks I'd hang out at Ain't It Cool News, and I sure as hell am not doing that.
Half in the Bag, though, is sometimes just filled with a smug "nearly everything made after the '80s is complete shit" attitude that extends well beyond their feelings on Star Wars. Although their Star Wars views (coupled with the increasingly toxic fandom and RLM's famous prequel commentaries that first put them on the map) just makes that more pronounced.
I enjoy a lot of their output despite most of them being rather problematic (I can't recall the bald dude ever saying anything problematic, and he always seems embarrassed when others do), but I find Half in the Bag not worth the time or energy. If I wanted to hear "nearly everything made after the '80s is complete shit" nonsense coupled with sexist and homophobic remarks I'd hang out at Ain't It Cool News, and I sure as hell am not doing that.
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It's actually closer to saying that Jared from Subway is a better person than Jeffrey Dahmer. There's still a loooooooong way to go.
Do you actually watch their videos or just find the ones that fit your agenda? They also get criticized by manbabies for liking the movies too. They've given fairly positive reviews for all the Disney releases, really any criticism is that they didn't really need to be made because it wasn't something they really wanted to see. They pretty much just openly mock all the fans now because they find it funny. They're making fun of you and you're using them as an authority because you seem to think that YouTube isn't the modern version of public access television.
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One, I do not have an agenda. Two, for that, look to all of the RLM hate; it appears to be the result of an extremely Star Wars-defensive position, as if any criticism means the RLM crew--or any critics, for that matter--are "entitled fans" / "losers" / "bitter" or whatever additional, misapplied slur is tossed their way for reasons I will get to after this--.
Here's the difference: they're do not offend me because I can watch a film, discuss and/or debate its merits/origins/value/whatever, but leave it at a moment's notice. Historically, the RLM crew usually targeted those fans who have become so hyper-defensive over all things Star Wars, that its no longer entertainment, but something akin to a cult born of idolatry of Lucas and in recent years, sociopolitical interests.
Some fans resent the fact that RLM's Prequel reviews gained widespread media attention and is referenced as insightful, despite how negative the pieces were about the films, George Lucas, and the extreme end of SW fandom. The people who bark the loudest at RLM seem threatened that the reviews have been embraced, arguably leading more individuals to view SW through a critical lens instead of the default celebratory position seen in some articles and YouTube channels.
The key question is: why do some SW fans hate RLM for opinion?
I’ve seen their videos for years, you don’t have to mansplain them to me. You fail to point out that they’ve repeatedly mocked the anti-Kennedy crowd too. They’ve been called shills because they don’t openly hate the movies too.
And yes, you have an agenda and everyone on this board is aware of it.
A YouTube channel made by a group of friends from Wisconsin that gained prominence from their "Mr. Plinkett" reviews of the Star Wars prequels. They have the shows "Best of the Worst" (where they sit through three z-grade movies), "Wheel of the Worst" (where they spin a wheel to decide which three straight-to-video infomercials/instruction videos/children's programs/etc. from the '90s they have to sit through), "Half in the Bag" (where they review movies currently in theaters) and "re:View" (where they retrospectively review older movies).
They're hands down the best "someone reviews or reacts to shlocky movies" channel on YouTube.
For the record, I actually enjoy RLM's videos for the most part. I adore their open to the video on Rogue One. They can, sometimes, be funny, and often have some good points. What I do have a problem is people utilizing vlogs and channels like this to try to push a point. The OP very clearly does this, as he has in the multiple topics he's started on this board, that's obviously just out to troll Star Wars fans.
Sorry, didn't quite follow that old chap?
Except most of the sociopolitical commentary in the pubic domain has been attacking the new films, with cries of feminism gone mad, SJW agendas and the like, ignoring the merits of the films, or indeed the parallels between their failings and the OT.
Of course, you are going to disagree, but ask yourself this; do you really not see the irony of this "its no longer entertainment, but something akin to a cult born of idolatry of Lucas" coming from someone who only days before was quoting scripture in a bizarre attempt to claim the new films invalidate his efforts to build a bible allegory?
And yet the thread is on its second page, lol.
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