That's much less silly, but at least Star Trek-ish.
I think it was more inspired by the courthouse in Back to the Future.
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I think it was more inspired by the courthouse in Back to the Future.
I did that once. I'm still not allowed back in that Marshalls.
It's gotta be Georgiou. Or a tribble
No, it'll be a whole stack of tribbles filling the suit. Pink TAS ones.It's gotta be Georgiou. Or a tribble
The Red Angel is Morn.
Well that could be the reason why we never really heard him talking so far
I don't know if that theory has already been posted, but this idea came to me which might admittedly sound a bit weird: Couldn't the Red Angel be Picard? I mean, we know that he's a human and comes from the future. Showing the Discovery places where people are in danger and need help would fit perfectly to Picard's character. Last but not least I remember that Patrick Stewart said in an interview during Discovery Season 1 something like he has a good reason to watch Discovery. Plus, the Picard show will start this year and I'm actually sure that there will be references between this show and Discovery.
I mean, it's not that I really believe that the Red Angel is Picard... but somehow I like the thought.
Only problem is Spock called the angel a she.
The best choice for the Red Angel would be Kirk. Plucked from the nexus at the last second, or revived in some capacity (it doesn't matter), he is offered the chance to save the universe again. He obviously has a personal connection to Spock, and his heroism would necessarily require him to take on this mission.
Revealing the Red Angel to be Kirk would be a chance to give Shatner a cameo appearance, give the audience something to cheer for, and of course you would have Kirk conceal his identity to everyone but the audience. If Spock asks who he is, he can simply say, "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."
Full circle.
But they will never do that--it would be too cool.
Revealing the Red Angel to be Kirk would be a chance to give Shatner a cameo appearance, give the audience something to cheer for, and of course you would have Kirk conceal his identity to everyone but the audience. If Spock asks who he is, he can simply say, "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."
Full circle.
But they will never do that--it would be too cool.
I took the owl as another reference to Odysseus since the owl is associated with his patron, Athena.
He did? I didn't notice that ^^ Well, I watch the episodes usually in German, maybe they didn't translate it here.
The Red Angel turns out to be....Kimbock! Another daughter of Sarek that nobody knew about!
Oh man, we could totally rehash that one.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/what-about-sybok-spocks-half-brother.297945/If it's meant to be Burnham, though, her true name might be Burbock.
Per the latest episode, I think the core question is "Why is Spock special"?
The Red Angel is a time traveler, so I would argue the "why special" is a question to consider in light of his whole story.
- Hybrid human/Vulcan - doesn't seem to be that special
- Serves on Enterprise (etc) - again, doesn't seem that special
- Various TOS Enterprise adventures... special of course but not that far ranging... Galileo 7? Stop the Amoeba? Spock's brain runs a planet? All seem local to that episode / not an all-encompassing emergency.
- Attempts reunification of Vulcan and Romulus... special of course but not that successful in the timeline
I get to three:
- Mind meld with V'ger... causes this threat to be terminated... significant save.
- Helps end the threat of the whale probe by calculating time travel... causes this threat to be ended... significant save
- Stops the Hobus supernova... which "threatened the galaxy"... with Red Matter... saves the Galaxy
I think the third - saving Spock so he can stop Hobus - and create that alternate timeline - might be what is "special".
Thoughts? What am I missing?
The Red Angel is a time traveler, so I would argue the "why special" is a question to consider in light of his whole story.
- Hybrid human/Vulcan - doesn't seem to be that special
- Serves on Enterprise (etc) - again, doesn't seem that special
- Various TOS Enterprise adventures... special of course but not that far ranging... Galileo 7? Stop the Amoeba? Spock's brain runs a planet? All seem local to that episode / not an all-encompassing emergency.
- Attempts reunification of Vulcan and Romulus... special of course but not that successful in the timeline
I get to three:
- Mind meld with V'ger... causes this threat to be terminated... significant save.
- Helps end the threat of the whale probe by calculating time travel... causes this threat to be ended... significant save
- Stops the Hobus supernova... which "threatened the galaxy"... with Red Matter... saves the Galaxy
I think the third - saving Spock so he can stop Hobus - and create that alternate timeline - might be what is "special".
Thoughts? What am I missing?
If the RA is guy, I'm still thinking it's Tyler.
New thoughts, I think (unless someone has posted previously?)
Might the person inside the suit be perhaps trapped and can’t escape from it?
Maybe the RAs abilities are limited to travelling / being sent transported, in the suit (through time / across vast distances) but not being able to talk, or exit the suit? A prison of sorts...?
In other words the RA needs Spock because:
- he can mind meld with the RA and she can communicate with him via her thoughts / memories (of future events yet to transpire). Spock has said that the person inside the suit is lonely, which implies isolation (through perhaps being trapped).
And
- because he’s half human, which may set him apart in terms of resilience / mental fortitude / and possessing a very direct connection to humanity and to Vulcan which may be essential to his receiving the RAs ‘messages’ etc. Maybe his upbringing makes him more receptive to the existence of the RA (and perhaps even time travel itself as a concept)?
If the person in the suit is trying to escape, it would make sense for her to seek out a Vulcan who can mind meld, as she is unable to communicate directly, but not one so set in their ways that they hinder the RA from achieving its mission, and finding escape?
I do believe it’s Spock’s shared heritage of being half human, half Vulcan that is the key reason why he was chosen - and also going off the plot points introduced around Vulcan Extremists not accepting him and trying to kill him and his family.
In other words the perceived ‘weakness’ of him being human and Vulcan (according to the Logic Extremists and prejudiced Vulcans, and humans alike) is ultimately what makes Spock the sole candidate for the rescue of the person inside the suit, and gives him the strength / insight to find a solution to the Angels predicament.
Anywho, just some thoughts around this...
Might the person inside the suit be perhaps trapped and can’t escape from it?
Maybe the RAs abilities are limited to travelling / being sent transported, in the suit (through time / across vast distances) but not being able to talk, or exit the suit? A prison of sorts...?
In other words the RA needs Spock because:
- he can mind meld with the RA and she can communicate with him via her thoughts / memories (of future events yet to transpire). Spock has said that the person inside the suit is lonely, which implies isolation (through perhaps being trapped).
And
- because he’s half human, which may set him apart in terms of resilience / mental fortitude / and possessing a very direct connection to humanity and to Vulcan which may be essential to his receiving the RAs ‘messages’ etc. Maybe his upbringing makes him more receptive to the existence of the RA (and perhaps even time travel itself as a concept)?
If the person in the suit is trying to escape, it would make sense for her to seek out a Vulcan who can mind meld, as she is unable to communicate directly, but not one so set in their ways that they hinder the RA from achieving its mission, and finding escape?
I do believe it’s Spock’s shared heritage of being half human, half Vulcan that is the key reason why he was chosen - and also going off the plot points introduced around Vulcan Extremists not accepting him and trying to kill him and his family.
In other words the perceived ‘weakness’ of him being human and Vulcan (according to the Logic Extremists and prejudiced Vulcans, and humans alike) is ultimately what makes Spock the sole candidate for the rescue of the person inside the suit, and gives him the strength / insight to find a solution to the Angels predicament.
Anywho, just some thoughts around this...
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I still have a fundamental problem with the 2 most common assumptions that are being made so far:
- the Red Angel must be someone from the DSC crew or someone close to them
- "Control" must be behind the future apocalypse
I feel like we're intentionally being thrown off the trail to make room for bigger surprises later on. Basic questions remain:
Why would the DSC crew be going back in time just a matter of days/weeks/months to interact with themselves in a way that accomplishes NOTHING to stop Control?
Again, Burnham is in her regular uniform when she sits down in the big chair in the preview - not the RA suit. So it's not a given that that's her highly anticipated moment that everyone's predicting. But surely there's a more effective way to tackle a deadly A.I. than making brief appearances around the galaxy, not going to any effort at all to point to the actual threat IF that's Control.
Both assumptions about DSC and Control might be incorrect. I know that this idea will be challenged, and I just ask that the question be tackled first: Why would the DSC crew be going back in time just a matter of days/weeks/months to interact with themselves in a way that accomplishes NOTHING to stop Control?
- the Red Angel must be someone from the DSC crew or someone close to them
- "Control" must be behind the future apocalypse
I feel like we're intentionally being thrown off the trail to make room for bigger surprises later on. Basic questions remain:
Why would the DSC crew be going back in time just a matter of days/weeks/months to interact with themselves in a way that accomplishes NOTHING to stop Control?
Again, Burnham is in her regular uniform when she sits down in the big chair in the preview - not the RA suit. So it's not a given that that's her highly anticipated moment that everyone's predicting. But surely there's a more effective way to tackle a deadly A.I. than making brief appearances around the galaxy, not going to any effort at all to point to the actual threat IF that's Control.
Both assumptions about DSC and Control might be incorrect. I know that this idea will be challenged, and I just ask that the question be tackled first: Why would the DSC crew be going back in time just a matter of days/weeks/months to interact with themselves in a way that accomplishes NOTHING to stop Control?
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