Rapp finally feels SAFE to talk about it due to the Weinstein crap.
News Rapp: Spacey Made Sexual Advance Toward Me
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Rapp finally feels SAFE to talk about it due to the Weinstein crap.
Sounds like Spacey got a bad rapp.... now if you excuse me I'm going to hell...
There was a woman last week who tried to pull the #metoo against cricketer chris gayle, in court she was found to be mentally unstable and gayle successfully got her charged with defamation.
As a woman myself we MUST be very careful that we don't just accept all of these complaints at face value because while there is no doubt a lot of true cases, there are also a lot of unstable women jumping on the bandwagon for attention. And THAT is just as sickening.
^ True, but it doesn't look good if it's something Spacey considers to be in the realm of possibility. He claims not to remember but it seems that it must be something he feels he might have done.
It is one of those things that it does seem it would be hard to clear your name from once accused, however, if you were truly wrongly accused. Cases like that hurt not only the accused but also makes people question the poor souls building the courage to speak out. I do think most of these claims have merit and some people who have long gotten away with it are finally getting their due which is good.
It is one of those things that it does seem it would be hard to clear your name from once accused, however, if you were truly wrongly accused. Cases like that hurt not only the accused but also makes people question the poor souls building the courage to speak out. I do think most of these claims have merit and some people who have long gotten away with it are finally getting their due which is good.
Also Rapp mentioned the incident with spacey back in 2001 in an interview with The Advocate but didn't name him.
Not sure if this article has been posted: http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/actor-says-kevin-spacey-tried-to-seduce-him-when-he-was-14.html but Rapp provides details on Spacey's behaviour when he tried to leave. It's deplorable.
Not to be too pedantic, but the finding of defamation related to the publisher, Fairfax. There was certainly no finding that the woman was mentally unstable.
Sigh....I've kept quiet on these issues, because when I was in college, I knew a girl who lied about being raped. She was drunk when it happened, her parents were very religious, and she was embarassed, so she told campus police she was raped when her parents zeroed in on her. She later told me and a few other friends that it wasn't rape....she was just scared about what her parents would think of her, so she did the only thing she knew would shift the blame. She left the school a few weeks later (she was already on academic probation for low GPA, and her parents took her out). I don't know what happened to the guy. But I remember saying "Why would you lie about something like that?! You could ruin his life!" She said, "I was scared."
That's why, to this day, even though I do want to believe every accuser that comes forward, I have a tiny doubt in the back of my mind. Lying happens. Bandwagoning happens. The "guilty until proven innocent" nature of stuff today means that the court of public opinion will convict you no matter what. When the #MeToo people ask "why men are silent," I can only speak to myself, but THAT'S why I am. Even though at the same time, I have 3 female friends who were either raped or sexually assaulted...one at her place of work, and I've spoken to them all in the wake of these recent happenings. I don't feel the need to broadcast it online. I know it happens to women, every day, I'm not denying that. It just doesn't sit well with me that EVERY accusation is believed even before investigation. And I'm also tired of seeing "MEN are the problem! ALL MEN do this!" I know these statements are motivated by anger and solidarity from women online, but that's not true. I've never assaulted anyone in my life, sexual or otherwise, and I resent the implication that the entire male gender has a problem. That's like saying all women are sluts. It's not true, and it's a stupid thing to say. Misogyny is dumb, and so is misandry, implied or real.
As for the Rapp/Spacey thing, I believe that happened, because my friend told me the sorts of things that went on at parties he went to as a young gay teenager, and the sorts of people he met, some with few or no scruples ("sketchy" and "pervy" he said). And for a 14 year old Rapp, that must've been terrifying for him, and I'm glad he was able to get away. I couldn't even imagine what I would feel as a 14 year old, having that happen to me. Thinking back to when I was 14, I would've probably had problems for months afterward.
As for Spacey, the simplest thing to do would've been to say "I apologize unreservedly for whatever behavior I displayed that night. It was wrong and I'm sorry I caused Mr. Rapp trauma. It's never okay to do that, etc. etc. etc."
Thing is, it WAS 30 years ago and he WAS drunk....so he can't account for his behavior whether he remenbers it or not. And it's entirely possible that he can't remember. I don't remember some things that happened to me 10 years ago, or even 1 year ago, but in some things are sharp as day. So I think it's unfair that he was pilloried for not directly saying he remembers. Rapp remembers because it was a traumatic event. Spacey, quite legitimately, might not.
Now, though, the Bryan Singer accusations might resurface. I've been wondering why those have been seemingly buried in recent years.
Remember Elijah Wood's statements, and the talk of paedophilia in Hollywood?
Apparently, this thing of minors being at parties and so on, is common in Hollywood. He said his parents had been quite protective, and hadn't allowed him to become part of that, but that many people he knew were involved. It's like those weird "kids beauty pagent" parents, who act like a constant whip-cracking promoter using their kids. Not saying that is what happened here, Rapp may have a great set of folk, but it gives some context to what some people were asking.
Apparently, this thing of minors being at parties and so on, is common in Hollywood. He said his parents had been quite protective, and hadn't allowed him to become part of that, but that many people he knew were involved. It's like those weird "kids beauty pagent" parents, who act like a constant whip-cracking promoter using their kids. Not saying that is what happened here, Rapp may have a great set of folk, but it gives some context to what some people were asking.
I'm not sure that he's in on anything that isn't common knowledge out there; he's just willing to "go there" sometimes.
I think the circumstantial evidence here is unquestionable. The fact that he invited a 14 year old to an adult drinking party means that he had certain malicious intentions.
On the other hand, not remembering what happened 30 years ago is also understandable. But he's not denying those parties with children being involved took place. Maybe there were more children that got molested by him.
On the other hand, not remembering what happened 30 years ago is also understandable. But he's not denying those parties with children being involved took place. Maybe there were more children that got molested by him.
I'm not sure I understand your logic here. Even in your anecdotal experience, you know three women who have been sexually assaulted, are aware of the percentage of survivors who are open enough for you to know about it, and yet you question survivors so much you don't speak out, on the grounds you knew one person who lied once?
And yet you don't speak out about sexual assaults or rape by men that do and thus proliferate the culture of silence and acceptance. In fact you managed to turn it around into how downtrodden men are as a result. Consider whether the people deserving your sympathy and solidarity here are the indignant men.
What I got from this part of his statement is he/she is questioning ACCUSATIONS not proven due to personal experience knowing victims with legitimate claims and people without legitimate claims victimizing others.
maybe I read it wrong.
Isn't there still the issue that most of the time, most people don't truly know who did and didn't do what they are accused of?
I mean some of these are obvious, we have Weinstein on recording attempting to do it to a rather brave but frightened woman, so I don't know for a "fact" that he did it to 100% of the women accusing him but we know he is a dirtbag of the highest order.
Sure Spacey didn't ADMIT to it but yeah he kinda did, so i may not know that for a "fact" but i feel pretty confident in believing it.
Cosby, kind of the same thing.
But there are many of these events that happen, where someone accuses, there are no facts to be easily verified and people are sometimes expecting others to make a judgment, like the mattress girl. Then there are instances like the Duke Lacross team, and then there is the ever present problem of "men men men men men" when assaults in general are severely under reported, but assaults by women are extra under reported. I certainly didn't read his statements as "men are so downtrodden" but lets be frank it isn't like what he brought up isn't something that happens.
I know you weren't responding to me, but I have to say personally as a lefty oriented person who speaks out on this as much as I can, I think there is a lot to be recognized in the points he was trying to make.
What was worse for me in the Rapp/Spacey case is Spacey trying to shift focus (and blame?) to the gay man lifestyle which is irresponsible, insulting and even dangerous.
Homosexuals are already wrongfully linked to pedophilia and this makes things worse for them.
Gay men don’t sexually assault underage boys, pedophiles do. Just as straight men don’t sexually assault underage girls, pedophiles do.
Homosexuals are already wrongfully linked to pedophilia and this makes things worse for them.
Gay men don’t sexually assault underage boys, pedophiles do. Just as straight men don’t sexually assault underage girls, pedophiles do.
there is no "link" but one doesnt cancel out the other. being a pedophile doesnt cancel heing a homosexual or straight. obviously this doesnt mean being straight or homosexual has anything to do with being a pedophile but almost all pedophiles are either straight or homosexual.
we can admit the truth without assigning blame.
yes straight men do assault underaged girls just as homosexual men do assault underaged boys. its a minority of both groups, and no it isnt the cause
I've now realized that I've twice written a relatively lenghty post, but decided to delete it.
Kind of sad that this topic is so sensitive that unless you've personally experienced it, you cant really even talk about it.
Kind of sad that this topic is so sensitive that unless you've personally experienced it, you cant really even talk about it.
Defamation of character laws should also apply to these cases.
I actually think more people should talk about it to make sure it doesn’t happen anymore. Being quiet is what allows this to happen.
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