Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by somebuddyx, Oct 8, 2019.
I like both of them equally.
What kind of a movie includes Bryce Dallas Howard, Jane Alexander, Helena Bonham Carter without giving them anything remotely worthy to do? AND Michael Ironside.
I really liked the first two films. They told a complete story and effectively ended the series.
Rise of the Machines was nothing more than a Judgement Day remake with a reversed ending, although it did have a few good things in it.
The less said about Salvation the better.
Genysis started out to be an interesting alternate take on the first movie but then they went and made John Connor a Terminator, effectively gutting the entire point of the series.
I will see the new one, but after the disappointments of the last three, I don't hold out much hope that it'll be any good.
A McG movie.
1. The Terminator (1984)
I don't think a McG movie has ever given anyone anything remotely worthy to do...
What kind of director tries to pass himself off as a burger?
So I've rewatched 4 of them, (2,3,4 and 5) and my rankings are still the same but with some caveats:
5 I ranked 3rd because of Arnie's portrayal of Pops. I love that character and I wish there was more for him to do. I like the T-3000 design and effect but the character and motivation sucks. The time travel is nuts. I think they could have done something interesting with Skynet having different intentions for humanity or something about it jumping dimensions and battling different versions of itself.
4 looks really nice in my opinion. I think it starts off great but then falls apart towards the end. Same with 5 I have problems with how solutions are lucked into, like how during the truck chase they take down the HK with the moto-terminator. It's just random events falling into place. Same with 5 the trailer spoils a reveal and that in itself isn't an issue if there had been more reveals later or they actually do something with it. I don't think they used it as well they could have. I would have liked if they had brought time travel into this film with that character also being from the future, like 2063 or something. I don't think it makes a lot of sense in how Skynet planned to use him. The ending was kinda dumb but I get what they were trying to do in Marcus' redemption. I liked the characters and actors in this more than the ones in 5, aside from Arnold and I probably wouldn't have minded seeing a sequel to this.
3 I ranked last and I still don't really like this. I don't like the new characters, the villain or even the T-850 really. Even the action didn't really interest me. Everything about this felt off. The only thing I like is the stupid Sgt Candy deleted scene. This one felt like the biggest missed opportunity.
I'm going to watch 1 soon and I'm intrigued. I wish this was showing at a cinema in the lead-up to Dark Fate. T2 Theatrical Cut is going to be playing but I like Extended Cut a lot more.
Almost like me.
Did anybody like it? I only saw it once; a bad sign. If the blonde terminator was T-850, you'd think following the T-1000 with a lesser number was a fairly good indication of major suckage.
I liked 3. It had some great set pieces and the ending was excellent. Granted I agree with your point on the T850, but what could they follow up the T1000 with without it getting too ridiculous? Don't get me wrong it's not on the level of the first two but I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as people make out, and for my money is the best of the post T2 sequels.
My only answer is to have a ''good'' T-1000 against another bad one. But how the hell do you re-program a bad one to begin with? (I'm still skeptical an 800's so easy to goodify.) In the end, my scenario would lead either one hell of a liquid mess, or a neverending movie with two 1000s still duking it out centuries later.
For me, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, it's an incredible looking movie. Arnold's superior presence including his acting performance was a joy to see. Linda Hamilton's (Sarah Connor) transformation from damsel in distress to a confused, emotional turmoil of a woman was intriguing; there was a lot of complexities with the evolution of the character and I gravitated on her throughout the movie. I'm not a fan of kid actors with the exception of a few (Macaulay Culkin, Henry Thomas, Haley Joel Osment), but I thought first time kid actor Edward Furlong was not only convincing as young John Connor but was a wonderful extension to the universe. What I saw was a character who thought his world was one big delusion from his crazy mother and to learn everything she said to him and trained him to do was all true and coming to fruition. John quickly develops himself in becoming a leader, even making decisions to save the Terminator when his mother did not approve, and also racing against time to stop his mother from killing the creator of Skynet... which the Terminator didn't approve. There's no question the movie "The Terminator" was a fact paced, well edited thriller, but T2 added layers which put it above the original for me.
2. The Terminator - As I'd mentioned above, also the catch phrases are as good as Sean Connery's James Bond films. Arnold was so awesome in pure presence casts a shadow throughout the entire movie and I wish the endoskeleton didn't appear and just have more Arnold pursuing relentlessly to kill Sarah Connah.
3. T2-3D - I saw this one during it's last legs at Universal Studios, and I thought this was a nice extension to the mythos, and still hope to get a video presentation to make the material shot canon. I loved the action and the performances and it was orchestrated by James Cameron; his last handling of the Terminator and what I liked about this material was Cameron still had some interesting ideas for the universe and opened avenues where the series could go on. Sadly, none of the follow up filmmakers has followed his ideas, and what I'd seen from Tim Miller's "Dark Fate" it doesn't appear he's going in a fluent transition from T2 or T2-3D. The Ride is a ride and it accomplished the goal to promote the mythos of how influential T2 was as a blockbuster and for me I like it better than those uninspiring sequels.
I'm not ranking the others because for me those sequels were a big f^ck you to the 1st 2 ,great, Terminator movies. Rise of the Machines does the worst damage by character assassinating John Connor to pump up Claire Danes PC character. John doesn't remember the T-800 he once knew terminated himself in T2, but asked this version if he remembers what they did when he was a kid??? John lost all of the nuances James Cameron developed such as Connor being a computer hacker, an incredible and dangerous skill, also I was never fond of a female Terminator... unless it could do something significantly threatening which could be a great obstacle for our heroes. There were too many Wile E. Coyote moments with her for me to take that antagonist seriously.
I'm not looking forward to seeing "Dark Fate", there isn't anything there I'm interested in seeing. Strange, the movie comes off as a soft remake of "T:Genisys" for me and I just can't get that feeling out of my head.
Already answered: hell, yes.
The blonde/lady terminator was the T-X. The Arnold terminator was the T-850: same exterior (Model 101) as the T-800, but slight upgrade in (highly explosive) fuel cells.
I always forget the pertinents in a film unless I see it twice.
IDK - if you smoke a BIG ENOUGH Joint - 6 might be good.
(Yeah, at this point, I'll wait for "Terminator: Dark Fate" to come on pay cable.)
With the newest trailer, I just noticed that Carl has a dog that he's patting on as he's talking to Sarah Connor. How did he manage to get the dog to not bark its ass off at a Terminator?
I'm wondering if maybe the twist in this movie will be that SkyNet (through Carl), will be aiding the human resistance in taking down Legion (probably another computer system that SkyNet deems a bigger threat than humanity itself)
I think the psychological subroutines were another upgrade from the T-800 to T-850. Possibly some copyright law also had something to do with the model upgrade
Enrique's dog in T2 is happy around a Terminator too, so I guess once they've seen humans being okay with it they get over it.
Maybe, but the film itself never says T-850 or is specific about him being a later model number.
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