1. MAGolding

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    Yes, but Iowa is a rural section of a first world country, while India and China are still more like third world countries despite developing fast.

    I have read that there is a vast difference between the modernized cities of India and large parts of the countryside where rural villagers live lifestyles that are in many respects decades less advanced than the city lifestyle. And I think there is also a big difference between Chinese cities and the Chinese countryside.

    If, and that is a big if, there is a similarly vast city/country divide in India, China, and nearby countries in the alternate universe of Star Trek at the time of the Eugenics Wars, and if the big cities in India, China and other Asian countries are destroyed in the wars, the surviving rural populations might be much less interested in, or qualified for, colonizing other planets or joining Starfleet and so might be underrepresented in Star Trek.

    And of course Riverside, Iowa, may be far more cosmopolitan a few centuries in the future when Kirk is growing up there than it is now.
     
  2. Pauln6

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    I dunno, Star Trek is quite vague on what comes out of the ashes of WWIII but the United States of Africa are definitely a thing.

    I feel uncomfortable at the notion that India and China were bombed into such oblivion that their populations barely contribute in the 23rd century while rural Iowa is a high tech paradise. India and China have a lot of advanced technology of their own and not all of it is concentrated in their major cities (particularly China's cyber warfare centres) while the USA presently has the worst gap between rich and poor in the first world, followed by the UK, apparently.

    I think it's far more likely Rahda just has parents of differing ethnicity without it being evidence of wider population trends. Brown curly hair could be as a result of Turkish, Kurdish, Syrian, or Afghan ancestry.
     
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  3. Commishsleer

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    Rhada and Lee Meriwether were the only good things in this episode.;)
     
  4. Cutie McWhiskers

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    It's a fictional show, it can make predictions - which often (but not always) come true but rarely to the level indicated in the script. Besides, it is going to be vague. Viewers will create all the parallels to their hearts' content. Same thing happens on "Maury" too.

    It's been claimed for years that "Africa is the next China", and its individual states countries could easily combine and form a larger nation spanning its content

    Or it's just a term that sounds cool to say, not entirely due to phonetic and other related similarity.

    And the other little chestnut, "self-fulfilling prophecy". It increasingly seems more like reality that, most of the time, our thoughts have more to do with creating reality than anything else. As Guinan said what many have before, if people want something they find a way to make it happen. Or like what Spock did similarly, about wanting something versus having it. Again, it's - in part - glib generalizations we instill a belief into. At least at a basic level, just how complex are things and the qualifiers therein?
     
  5. Cutie McWhiskers

    Cutie McWhiskers Commodore Commodore

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    The episode opted to mock Spock, which many didn't grok. (I know, my phraseology is a crock... time to hide under a rock, or sniff a sock... :p )
     
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  6. Nerys Myk

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    Or the supermen didn't always take over their home countries. Khan probably pick his subordinates based on skill not ethnicity.
     
  7. Spock's Barber

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    I dunno. I thought the computer cube was pretty cool.

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  8. Delta Vega

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    It was
     
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  9. plynch

    plynch Commodore Commodore

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    Re. mocking Spock, was this one of those S3 ones where he is crazy-rigid? They were on like their 7th story editor, and none named GR, Coon, or Fontana around for character-continuity.
     
  10. Harvey

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    1. Black (early season 1)
    2. Carabatsos (mid season 1)
    3. Fontana (late season 1 and season 2)
    4. Singer (season 3)

    Not as much turnover as you might think, but Fontana got the show in a way Singer clearly didn't.
     
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  11. Spock's Barber

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    I thought the earthquake scene was pretty cool for a low budget television show.

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  12. Commishsleer

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    Kirk was a jerk too.
    I hated them both. I almost wished Lee Meriwether had been successful in blowing up the ship, ;):lol:
    Luckily next week they were back to normal,
     
  13. plynch

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    I like the change back to a little creepier and sci-fi in S3, but yes, there is less consistency in the feel of the characters from episode to episode, maybe?

    Yes, I would have thought there were more actual story editors. In my mind, the "producer" at least for TOS is an adjunct story editor, since GR and Coon were writers and GR supposedly rewrote "every" script early S1, kind of filling the story editor's role.

    Wasn't that why GR didn't make Justman a full "producer" in S3, b/c it was "supposed" to be a "story" person? Though I don't know Frieberger's writing creds.
     
  14. Spock's Barber

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    I know Freiberger wrote that sci-fi epic about giant grasshoppers called Beginning of the End. :crazy:
     
  15. plynch

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    I was reading about Justman's leaving due to fatigue and budget cuts. Have there been any what-ifs re. if he had been named producer? Someone who "got" the show and . . . liked it?
     
  16. Spock's Barber

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    I always thought Justman couldn’t have done a worse job than Freiberger. Justman was with the show from the beginning.
     
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    Justman suggested "cutting off" both "The City on the Edge of Forever" and "The Doomsday Machine", so maybe he wasn't the best choice to be the producer.
     
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  18. johnnybear

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    How dare he even suggest that!!!! :eek::wtf::eek:
    JB
     
  19. Spock's Barber

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    ...and Freiberger gave us that Trek classic, And The Children Shall Lead. :razz:
     
  20. MAGolding

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    Fred Freiberger's credits as writer from IMDB:

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0293750/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

    He wrote several screenplays as well as many television episodes.
     
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