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The cut would still have to go unnoticed though. Otherwise Spock would never have let them leave the Transporter Room (or even beamed aboard).

He could lag behind the others and hold his hand behind him. While Spock's busy in the transporter room, he'd sneak away, cover up the cut with concealer a la evil Kirk, and McCoy wouldn't be the wiser. If he's not looking for small wounds, he won't find them - their post-landing party physicals only cover major things. McCoy might note a bit of face make-up, but not ask, thinking nothing of it.
 
Or the cut is noticed but nothing is revealed on the subsequent medical exam. Psi 2000 virus could have a delay in mutating.

Or, as said above, someone was still alive.

Or it was unexpected. In Naked Now the Away Team did not expect to find what they did. They were not in hazmat gear. Did Psi 2000 need to be that cold?
 
Spock and Tormolen were not wearing hazmat gear, it was described in the script as "cold weather clothing".

Are we reduced to citing The Naked Now? Ah well ;). It was pretty frosty in the rooms that LaForge visited too, though
 
Don't they have sensors to scan a planet break up from a safe distance? And more Earth centric dialog. "SPOCK: Obviously, this planet is condensing more rapidly than expected. A valuable study. We may be seeing Earth's distant future. Before its sun went dark, this planet was remarkably similar to yours.". Um, Spock, there are probably many terrestrial planets. So many that they may have a class name for scientific classification."
Also, Spock, you are half human. It's YOUR Earth too. And you've spent significant time there.
 
Ah, the benefit of hindsight! It actually highlights how few aliens we have actually met in the series so far.
Huh. How many have we seen so far?

Talosians
That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
Ron Howard's brother
That dog from Enemy Within
Salt monster
That hand plant...Gertrude
Spock (duh)

What did I miss?
 
In case nobody else caught this, Darnell didn't eat the Borgia plant. Faux-Nancy put it in his mouth hoping to disguise the fact that she killed him. McCoy later found that he never swallowed it.
 
In case nobody else caught this, Darnell didn't eat the Borgia plant. Faux-Nancy put it in his mouth hoping to disguise the fact that she killed him. McCoy later found that he never swallowed it.
True, but my point was that no-one stepped forward to say "impossible! No Starfleet officer would ever risk his life by eating an untested alien plant. That's drilled into them at the academy from day one!" Professor Crater even gibed Kirk on the matter in a later scene by pointing out what Darnell (allegedly) did through his poor training.
 
In case nobody else caught this, Darnell didn't eat the Borgia plant. Faux-Nancy put it in his mouth hoping to disguise the fact that she killed him. McCoy later found that he never swallowed it.

True, but my point was that no-one stepped forward to say "impossible! No Starfleet officer would ever risk his life by eating an untested alien plant. That's drilled into them at the academy from day one!"

Yeah, the point I was making was that assuming he had eaten it, there's more at play than just poor judgement here - there's a good reason why he did.
 
True, but my point was that no-one stepped forward to say "impossible! No Starfleet officer would ever risk his life by eating an untested alien plant. That's drilled into them at the academy from day one!" Professor Crater even gibed Kirk on the matter in a later scene by pointing out what Darnell (allegedly) did through his poor training.

I think he didn't say that because it's argumentative, trying to convince Dr. Crater he didn't eat it is worthless.


Naked time!

Things from the teaser hit me right away. The red stuff is in plain view right from the beginning, (good) but it's low. Then he puts his hand around and the red stuff drips UP, I know they tried to hide it with a tilted camera but it's definitely going UP. It reminds me of The Blob right now, that was vulnerable to freezing but didn't die, too. Very final line of the teaser by Spock seems like the advertising department wrote that one. "Unknown, Captain. It's like nothing we've dealt with before."
Really?

As I was saying in prior episodes discussions, when the people in a scene, even the background extras, seem like they belong there it really makes everything better and enhances the experience for me, the opposite holds as well and when they act stupid, I hate it. Joe, Riley and Sulu are having a bit of a heated discussion, enough to get the attention of the bored three individuals in uniform in the room, they even show a flash shot of them standing so they see it, why does none of them do a single thing to help? They don't call for security, they don't try to help the injured man, they are worse than props because you don't expect a hat rack to do more than stand there, like they did.

Sulu running around with the rapier was entertaining. I like the exchange between Kirk and Uhura when he barked about cutting of Riley's singing. There were a lot of good moments. Boy, Shatner was really shaking Nimoy there. I guess the Shat is all in when he's acting in these episodes. There's a good call back to Enemy Within, if I can call it that, how much Jim is attracted to Janice and can't act on it. I really liked the time warp music.

Last thing, I'm adding this to the 2 other times Uhura was in command, because she is in command of the bridge in this episode for the big part of the crisis. I know she didn't get a "Uhura you're in command" from Kirk on camera but he must have told her to take charge when he left to go to engineering to meet up with Scotty, Spock was already to sickbay and been affected/infected by the nurse with the bad wig, (wigs in the 23rd century are not to my liking). Sulu and Riley were gone. She's running things, until Kirk comes back up an McCoy gives Kirk his shot. Why did he have to rip his shirt? Maybe it's in someone's contract.
 
I think Uhura is probably unofficially in command in quite a few episodes. It's annoying that she didn't get formal credit. After her turn in STIII, I would have preferred to see Uhura bluff it out in command of the ship instead of Chekov in STV.
 
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If Joe had wound up accidentally killing the Andorian who attacked him (in self defense), that would make for a different suicide motive later than the one we got ("I killed an innocent person" vs "what are we doing out here, anyway?")
 
Huh. How many have we seen so far?

Talosians
That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
Ron Howard's brother
That dog from Enemy Within
Salt monster
That hand plant...Gertrude
Spock (duh)
What did I miss?
I was thinking more of aliens that we can interact with, like Andorians or Klingons. But yep, ya got me! :eek:
I'll happily add Talosions, Orions, Balok to that qualifying list though! :techman:


I don't see the clothing described like that in the transcript. http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/7.htm

Did I miss it?

Script description vs. On screen dialog....
The script reference is here http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(mid_2260s-early_2270s)#Protective_suits although I have seen it mentioned elsewhere on this board.

There's no onscreen dialogue as to what function the clothing that Spock & Tormolen are wearing. However, the way it is depicted in the episode shows that it clearly cannot be a hazmat suit, otherwise Joe wouldn't be able to scratch his nose!
 
The script reference is here http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(mid_2260s-early_2270s)#Protective_suits although I have seen it mentioned elsewhere on this board.

There's no onscreen dialogue as to what function the clothing that Spock & Tormolen are wearing. However, the way it is depicted in the episode shows that it clearly cannot be a hazmat suit, otherwise Joe wouldn't be able to scratch his nose!
I pulled out the script and quoted it here on the BBS a while back, i.e.:
After all these years and the scripts being sold you'd think what those suits were would be well-established. So, let's look at the final draft script...

SCENE 2
...They wear cold weather gear... take in the condition of the room, move with precision...​

Ergo not intended to be biohazard suits. Just hot shower curtains. :)
Fans decided they were biohazard gear, not the show's makers.
 
Charlie X

"Over 400 on the crew of a starship." Wow, that's a lot more crewmen than when Pike had the Enterprise. I wonder what accounts for such an increase in crew size?

"Is that a girl?" That's okay, Charlie. That's how I reacted to Rand when I hit puberty.

The guy in blue who comes out of the Jeffrey's tube...is that the same guy who was laughing hysterically in Naked Time?

Fun to see the crew having fun in their off hours.

First Vulcan harp sighting.

Rand playing cards using a deck she could have gotten in the 20th century. Cards haven't changed.

Spock actually seems amused at Uhura's song. And what a good singing voice. She's a great at improve, able to make up lyrics that rhyme on the spot. Sign her up for Who's Line Is It Anyway. I wonder if that ability is related to her communications abilities. Would have been cool if they could have expanded on Uhura's linguistic abilities more.

Charlie's effect on Uhura's voice is temporary as she can speak after that.

Again...I don't see how you can have an illogical approach to chess. I mean it's chess. All the pieces are there on the board. If Spock looks at the pieces correctly, he can see what Kirk is doing. Makes no sense to me how Kirk can surprise Spock at chess. Unless Kirk is just that smart.

The Enterprise has a gym! But Kirk is the only one manly enough to go shirtless.

Kirk is so badass in this episode, standing up to Charlie even knowing what Charlie can do. I love Kirk's dangerous facial expressions and tone of voice when he's ordering Charlie.

Briefing room scene: what should they do with Charlie? Well, they could always strand him on Delta Vega. I'm surprised Spock's not calling for his death harder.

So these guys from the Antares pawn off Charlie onto the Enterprise without letting them know about Charlie. Jerks.

The iguana's chirping is creepy. So is the faceless woman!

This episode reminds me of Twilight Zone's "It's a Good Life." Charlie is even sending people into the corn field!

Charlie was such a punk, but that was a sad, gut-wrenching ending. I wonder that the Thasians couldn't have taken his powers away and let him live as a normal human. They couldn't take them back once they gave them?

I've decided to continue the Alien Watch:

Talosians
That big ugly Rigellian guy Pike fought in illusion
Vina as an Orion girl in illusion
Glimpse of other aliens captured by Talosians
Ron Howard's brother
That dog from Enemy Within
Salt monster
That hand plant...Gertrude
Spock (duh)
Charlie's parents (Thasians)
 
CHARLIE X

A different pace of episode this week; the angst of what is means to be a teenager, amplified with super powers.

The crew of the cargo vessel Antares are using the old uniforms from The Cage and WNMHGB. Their equivalent of army surplus, perhaps?
The cargo service also wear a different insignia on their uniforms, further differentiating them from our intrepid explorer heroes.

We learn that there are 428 people on the Enterprise – and unlike previous episodes, we see a great many of them! Perhaps a greater contingent of scientists than Pike had, in line with exploring deeper into the galaxy?
Again...I don't see how you can have an illogical approach to chess. I mean it's chess. All the pieces are there on the board. If Spock looks at the pieces correctly, he can see what Kirk is doing. Makes no sense to me how Kirk can surprise Spock at chess. Unless Kirk is just that smart.
They try to pull the same nonsense in an episode of TNG when Troi beats Data in 3D chess through "intuition". At least in Spock's case I suppose you could say he was distracted by Kirk's banter and simply missed the checkmate attack; blaming "illogic" is just his excuse.

BTW, the idea of keeping an ongoing list is a great one @Poltargyst, as this is looking like it's going to be a rather heavily alien-populated universe, despite my somewhat careless earlier comment! ;)

Lots of future talk: The Thasians are another “space legend”. Also, the captain of the Antares declining supplies from a starship is a “space first”. First mention of UESPA headquarters (which sounds better than just “Earth” I suppose)

New sets: the ship’s gymnasium (a heavy redress of the Engine Room) and a different type of crew quarters.
Spock’s lyre makes its debut appearance and has a song from Uhura to go with it! Speaking which, Spock really lets his hair down when off duty; smiling and frowning and playing along with Uhura’s teasing. The interaction between Uhura and Rand is subtle and great. In fact, the whole scene of them and the crew hanging out in Rec Room 3 is a fantastic glimpse into how these people live their lives when not on duty.

The Enterprise really isn’t set up for transporting guests. Charlie is apparently free to roam where he wants, even around the engineering sections! Speaking of which…
Charlie’s pole. What is this green rod that the technician is oh so carefully lowering into a glowing hole in the floor. Is the tube being consumed by some reactor under the floor? What is a tube so long (at least 4 metres) that they have to remove deck plates to move it through the ship even doing on board?

One of Kirk’s best speeches to date, applicable to so many situations in real life:
“Charlie, there are a million things in this universe you can have and there are a million things you can't have. It's no fun facing that, but that's the way things are.”
In addition, Shatner imbues the lines and following scene with Charlie with a wistfulness for what Kirk also cannot have – specifically, Yeoman Rand.

Speaking of which, is Rand ever going to NOT get pursued, attacked or put in dire peril? Grace Lee Whitney puts a lot of subtle character pieces into her performance, but her main story role seems to be the one who gets into trouble in order to prove that the situation is serious.
 
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