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In some ways Charlie X is cheesy but there is a lot to like. I loved it as a kid with its Twilight Zone vibe. It has some fun dramatic moments and I don't mind this level of super power in my Sci fi.

It's nice to 'see' another human vessel that isn't a starship, which gives us the impression that starships are elite and special (often only a single starship in a quadrant I'd wager).

It's fun to see the characters relaxing, and Spock joining in. He may be logical but he has a sense of humour. Uhura is a real showman here. I wonder if it wasn't for these early episodes that give Uhura and Sulu some decent scenes whether they would have become as popular with what they got in seasons 2 and 3. It's also interesting that Rand's absence was not necessarily to Uhura's benefit, since some of her best episodes include Rand.

The episode conveys that Kirk's time is precious. He isn't just concerned with the adventure of the day. I like that his interactions with Rand are professional and not mired in dreary mutual attraction in this one.

Rand comes across as a working class girl done good, flying the flag for enlisted crew thirty years before O'Brien. We probably see more of her personality in this one than any other as it was written to showcase her character. As has been noted above, she still ends up a victim, and seeking out a man to solve the problem for her.

Bones passing the buck is fun but Charlie clearly needs help with socialisation. He should probably been assigned a psychologist or psychiatrist to help him so his flippancy does make McCoy look like a bit of a dick. Rand had the right idea with Tina but sadly she's a sixties chick who only thinks about herself and minces off in a huff at the slightest rebuff.

Charlie himself is a great character: conflicted, confused, temperamental, and dangerous. He certainly is a plus in this one.
 
I wonder what would have happened if McCoy wound up mentoring Charlie after all instead of Kirk.
That was really initiated by Rand; after Charlie imitated his peers by giving her a friendly swat, she instructed him to speak to Kirk, not McCoy. From there, Kirk picked up the ball and ran with it, by attempting to divert Charlie's attention from their mutual crush with healthy bit of man-on-man exercise. Once Charlie made poor Sam "go away" and did the same with the whole ship's compliment of hand phasers (I wonder if the Thasians returned them as well) Kirk was well and truly committed to the Charlie question. That McCoy character is such a slacker...;)

Bones passing the buck is fun but Charlie clearly needs help with socialisation. He should probably been assigned a psychologist or psychiatrist to help him so his flippancy does make McCoy look like a bit of a dick. Rand had the right idea with Tina but sadly she's a sixties chick who only thinks about herself and minces off in a huff at the slightest rebuff.
And is more than happy to try her luck with him again later...only to be turned into an ignuana. I hope she learned a valuable lesson.

The lesson for the audience is a bit more information about this Earth Space Service or whatever it's called. Apparently you can sign up on board a starship whilst still a teenager (Tina is 18, maybe younger) and work your way up to the Captain's personal assistant within a few years.
Meritocracy, yay! :beer:
 
The lesson for the audience is a bit more information about this Earth Space Service or whatever it's called. Apparently you can sign up on board a starship whilst still a teenager (Tina is 18, maybe younger) and work your way up to the Captain's personal assistant within a few years.
Meritocracy, yay! :beer:

Grace was 36 and Rand was clearly not meant to be a youngster (despite a line removed in Miri suggesting she was 24) so she's had nearly 20 years in the service to become a space waitress!
 
I think "space waitress" is denigrating the role of a Yeoman on a starship TBO; just because she brought Kirk a salad once, her primary role still seems to be mainly administrative.

As for her age...actors often play roles younger than their own age. Kirk was meant to be 33, so it's not too much of a stretch to think that Rand could be 24. Or, could we split the difference and say that she's 30?
 
I think "space waitress" is denigrating the role of a Yeoman on a starship TBO; just because she brought Kirk a salad once, her primary role still seems to be mainly administrative.

As for her age...actors often play roles younger than their own age. Kirk was meant to be 33, so it's not too much of a stretch to think that Rand could be 24. Or, could we split the difference and say that she's 30?

True but I rather like the idea of her being older and more experienced. It's just a shame they didn't build on that. Space waitress was how Grace described her character in Corbomite and Man Trap. She was well up for more action but they kept marginalising Rand.

I view the Captain's yeoman role as a mixture of a naval yeoman (administration) and an army batman (valet, personal assistant, personal driver/pilot, and bodyguard). This is why Rand goes on landing parties with Kirk - she's his security support! She's just really bad at it, as we will see in upcoming episodes...
 
and did the same with the whole ship's compliment of hand phasers (I wonder if the Thasians returned them as well)
"All is as it was..."

And is more than happy to try her luck with him again later...only to be turned into an ignuana. I hope she learned a valuable lesson.
:lol: What lesson is that exactly? Never speak to a boy who's already rejected you?
 
I Rand had the right idea with Tina but sadly she's a sixties chick who only thinks about herself and minces off in a huff at the slightest rebuff.
Oh I dunno, because she's introduced and Charlie totally blows her off. Of maybe having a reason isn't sexist enough.
 
Oh I dunno, because she's introduced and Charlie totally blows her off. Of maybe having a reason isn't sexist enough.

She should know that he's having problems socialising. That's her brief! Storming off in a huff does nothing to help him. It's not meant to be a date for her benefit is it? I just thought it made her character seem shallow and unintuitive.
 
Including the crew of the Antares? They weren't just "made to go away", they were blown up!

Thasian: "We are saddened that his escape cost the lives of the first ship. We could not help them, but we have returned your people and your ship to you. Everything is as it was."
 
Thasian: "We are saddened that his escape cost the lives of the first ship. We could not help them, but we have returned your people and your ship to you. Everything is as it was."
So they did keep the phasers after all... :devil:
 
Is this our first sighting of advanced non corporeal beings?

Talosians were advanced telepaths, but still had physical form. They could be injured or killed. They needed their planet restored.
 
Yes indeed, good catch! :techman:

What's odd though is that although the Thasians are definitely energy beings of a sort (Charlie laments that they can't be touched) they still need to travel through space IN A SHIP. How do they operate the controls? Is there one rusting hulk on the planet that they dust off for such situations, using telekinesis to push the buttons? Are they a spacefaring culture or was this a special trip, in order to recapture Charlie?

TOS-R tries to mitigate this oddity by showing a semi-transparent glowy Thasian ship but that just raises more questions. If the corporeal Thasians got where they are by evolving into energy beings, does that mean that the ship evolved too?

It's a good ending and I do like the use of the "I have taken my form of centuries ago" trope, but the presence of a ship is more than a little silly IMO
 
True but I rather like the idea of her being older and more experienced. It's just a shame they didn't build on that. Space waitress was how Grace described her character in Corbomite and Man Trap. She was well up for more action but they kept marginalising Rand.
Rand was arguably one of the most mishandled characters in TOS. She was originally envisioned as the captain's confidante, someone he could unburden his inner thoughts to without the pressures of command (a role assumed by McCoy almost immediately). In much of the literature leading up to the broadcasting of early episodes she was sold as the leading lady of the show.
Such a waste, but the few episodes we do get with her are no less enjoyable.
 
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I would say Rand was mishandled by both the writers and by the characters they wrote! However, it's not only her. None of the yeomen and few of the female officers were handled well. As season one progresses, I find it interesting to consider the episodes that Rand was initially intended to be in and how they might have affected her development. It's tricky because if she'd stayed, she might have appeared in as many episodes as Scotty.
 
Oh I dunno, because she's introduced and Charlie totally blows her off. Of maybe having a reason isn't sexist enough.

I agree. Charlie was rude. She did nothing to deserve his treatment. Rand said so herself.

She should know that he's having problems socialising. That's her brief! Storming off in a huff does nothing to help him. It's not meant to be a date for her benefit is it? I just thought it made her character seem shallow and unintuitive.
I think Rand just told her here's a nice guy your age (how young are they on the Enterprise anyway?) and lets introduce you. Yes a date for their mutual social benefit. Not Tina here's a possible sociopath you need to date on an important mission. No matter what he says and does play nice.
 
It was the "sixties chick" comment that was of the bigger concern than Tina's purported rudeness.
 
It was the "sixties chick" comment that was of the bigger concern than Tina's purported rudeness.
Ah yes, I meant only that her behaviour was typical of sixties comedies like Bewitched, where women take offence over trivial comments, making them appear shallow. It showed a glaring lack of empathy for Charlie.
 
I agree. Charlie was rude. She did nothing to deserve his treatment. Rand said so herself.


I think Rand just told her here's a nice guy your age (how young are they on the Enterprise anyway?) and lets introduce you. Yes a date for their mutual social benefit. Not Tina here's a possible sociopath you need to date on an important mission. No matter what he says and does play nice.
That's very true, I don't think the scene portrays either woman as particularly smart or considerate, although you can see Rand is at least working on it. A more sensible approach would be for him to spend time with them both but everyone is trying to fob him off.

Thinking about it, this would have been a good episode for Chapel to portray some of her insight. It does feel like the female interactions were written by men. Tina could have backed out gracefully with a sideways glance to Rand and left the door open for Charlie when he was ready. It would at least have showed they had a joint strategy to help him.

It's a shame because there is a kernel of an idea that Rand is good at improvising on the spot that never quite takes off. It could have been her thing.
 
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