It would be cool to see Shatner as Kirk again, but I wonder if it would just emphasize the differences in how the two actors portray the character - both are excellent actors, but play Kirk somewhat differently - having them together on screen might really emphasize that in a way that doesn't enhance the story.
Predict how TOS Kirk will be Resurrected
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Are you talking about the same DOFP that showed Charles seeing a scene from X3 ( Logan killing Jean ) in Logan's memories?
Nimoy and Quinto don't play the role the same way, so I don't see why that would be an issue.
Huh, clearly I missed that. But, DOFP ignored the fact that Xavier was killed in X3 and that Magneto lost his powers, so I assumed the general attitude was act as though the movie didn't happen.
Which is pretty much what fandom has done anyway.
X-Men 3 itself reversed both of those things. The after-credits scene showed that Xavier's consciousness was transferred to the body of the man in the bed in Muir Island; the last scene before the credits showed that Magneto's powers were coming back.
2013's The Wolverine clearly acted as though X-Men 3 did happen, by similarly referencing Logan's killing of Jean, and the mid-credits scene of that film ( with Xavier and Magneto recruiting Logan as well as a reference to Trask Industries ) served as a lead-in to the future segments of DOFP. This indicated that X-Men 3 and DOFP were considered to be in the same continuity.
More like the usual vocal minority portraying themselves as though they speak for all of fandom.
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Sounds like a must-see film!
I wonder if theres anything behind Shatner comment
'How do you get me fifty years later into the movie? I know it's science fiction, but even I couldn't come up with an idea.'
50years later... hmmm just a number pulled out of the air to illustrate how long its been (the 50th Ann) or something related to plot? (50years on from Pine Kirk?)
'How do you get me fifty years later into the movie? I know it's science fiction, but even I couldn't come up with an idea.'
50years later... hmmm just a number pulled out of the air to illustrate how long its been (the 50th Ann) or something related to plot? (50years on from Pine Kirk?)
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Good Day All.. I am new here, but plan to contribute as much as one can. J.D. Payne said the plot is "sort of the Adam and Eve thing, where should we eat the fruit or not eat the fruit". Personally, with all the info that has been stated about ST3 so far... I think (who really knows) the plot will focus on the major complaint about the reboot, the timeline. Maybe the Nexus could come up, as a plot tool (?) But I think that the crew will be faced with the possibility of restoring the time line. And then focus on the problems, and possibilities of making that choice. Just a guess...
The Nexus will not be in the movie, nor will it ever be in Star Trek again. It was one of the plot points in Generations that confused everyone, even Ron Moore and Brannon Braga admit on the DVD they have no idea what it was supposed to be, beyond the tool for which Kirk and Picard meet.
And the movie will not be about the crew "restoring the timeline." There's no reason for them to, since the Abramsverse is their timeline, it's the one they have a responsibility to uphold. There's no obligation or motivation for them to restore the Prime Timeline, anymore than there is for someone in the Prime to restore the Abramsverse.
I could see the crew, at least Kirk and Spock, having plenty of motivation to restore the timeline. Vulcan being one. Kirk's father being two. Those two alone would be driving forces. I know plot wise it wouldn't happen, but a situation where the crew is given a chance to do so is plausible. Spock debate the logical course, while fighting his human emotion towards his mother. Kirk being given the chance to see, and know his father. To "fix" everything. It's Star Trek, anything is plausible.
Those are pretty selfish reasons to reset the lives of basically everyone in Starfleet. I don't think there's a Guinan here telling them their current path is "wrong." How would you feel if someone said "You know, this timeline isn't supposed to exist. I'm going to change it. Your life will be erased, but hey, who cares!"
I totally agree. But I could see that being a plot line. Like I said, who know.
I'm starting to think we're the only two people who didn't fall asleep 15 minutes before the end credits rolled.
(oh right. besides the entire DOFP team that didn't feel it was an issue.)
Carol Marcus gives birth to 80-year old Shatner Baby.
The Curious Case of Benjamin Kirk?
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Oh crap. I had to read that *after* I ate dinner? 
*Disclaimer* This post is mostly done out of a sake of entertaining the notion. I highly doubt we'll even come *remotely* close to having any kind of a plot where the JJ Universe is "reset." It just won't happen. It would feel incredibly cheap anyway. I remember the rumors that the end of Star Trek 09 would have the Enterprise warp through a blackhole and reset the timeline. Then that final scene started to play out and I thought to myself "Oh no... Don't do that..."
Is it really that black and white, though?
Quoting a fan film for the first time ever, but Spock from NV/P2's "In Harm's Way" comes to mind:
"Because, Jim... Here, now, in your timeline, billions of people are dead."
Let's just look at what has transpired since the split off.
If we follow strictly what the film shows us... Who the Hell knows WHAT Nero did for twenty years after the huge change that is the destruction of the Kelvin. He may have been engaging in the slaughter of *any* ships he came across. Admittedly that is just speculation, but it is also just the beginning of the potential chaos. The simple engagement near Klingon space is big enough. The premature birth of Kirk. The destruction of a Federation starship, with who knows how many casualties. The death of experienced starfleet officers Robau and George Kirk...
Fast forward, we know there's some kind of a situation/battle going on elsewhere when the flotilla heads off to Vulcan. Something so big that it's distracted the bulk of Starfleet.
We know something happened to Praxis far sooner than it should have, either the work of espionage by Marcus, or the pressure that the Klingons must have felt after losing 47, let me repeat that 47 of their ships. Wolf 359 losses felt by one of the three superpowers of the Alpha Quadrant a hundred years before anything like it had been recorded. So far we're only into the tens of thousands dead or wounded.
The loss of the Federation flotilla. Thousands more dead. Who knows how many of these commanders were vital to future events. Now they're gone. Along with thousands of promising cadets.
We've lost Vulcan. Six billion people dead when they shouldn't be. Who knows how this race of geniuses was to contribute to the Federation as a whole in the years to come.
Who knows what kind of absolute chaos and death has been wrought upon the galaxy as a result of these ever stacking and cascading changes. Klingons pushed to the extreme. Black ops organizations in starfleet pushing us into wars with neighboring civilizations... To say nothing of the USS vengeance smashing into San Francisco and taking out 4+ city blocks of people, and the other acts of terror wrought by Khan.(Including the likely deaths of several starfleet captains.)
So it's not entirely as simple as "selfish" motivation. If it can be shown that the galactic stage as a whole has very likely been trashed.
I'm not sure things are noticeably worse in the AU. One world lost Vulcan, the other lost Romulus (which, thanks to 139 years of foreknowledge, likely won't happen in the AU). Praxis blew up sooner or later. Imagine if, in Star Trek 3 or 4, Kirk frees the entire Borg Collective...
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