Post Ultimate Computer USS Excalibur
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Or was that the Levant...or the Ti-Ho...
I don't get it. Am I missing something?
I always hated the term "megaphaser", sounds too fanboyish.
The Yorktown was NOT renamed the Enterprise. The Yorktown was crippled by the whale probe and in active service when the explictly brand new Enterprise-A was launched. It is not possible within the context of the movie, dammit!
The idea that the Enterprise was the Yorktown was nothing but Okuda wanking the Roddenberries.
The idea that the Enterprise was the Yorktown was nothing but Okuda wanking the Roddenberries.
The Yorktown was crippled pretty early on, and the E-A wasn't launched until the end of the movie.
There's nothing to contradict the Yorktown being rechristened Enterprise in between those two points, as well as making a helluva lot more sense than Starfleet deciding to decommission a relatively brand new ship at the end of ST VI. If the E-A is actually the 40+ year old Yorktown, it makes a lot more sense for Starfleet to pull the plug on the old girl.
There's nothing to contradict the Yorktown being rechristened Enterprise in between those two points, as well as making a helluva lot more sense than Starfleet deciding to decommission a relatively brand new ship at the end of ST VI. If the E-A is actually the 40+ year old Yorktown, it makes a lot more sense for Starfleet to pull the plug on the old girl.
I think the Yorktown makes the most sense, especially considering the decommissioning.
And makes for the nice homage to the initial 1964 pitch for Star Trek, which is the intent.
^ yeah that too
Which is wanking.. so we're to assume that that Yorktown was scrapped (and it's crew reassigned) brought into spacedock, uprated with completely new equipment (including the bridge), rechristened, and made mostly-ready before McCoy could change his clothes?!. That's some damn good tech there.
More than that, Tuvoc, in VOY, serves aboard a USS Yorktown the following year. So they replaced a Constitution class Yorktown (in the rediculous scenario above) with another one just for the hell of it?
Why is Chewbacca here?! Why is he here?! It makes no sense! :P
Yeah, it's a cute homage, and if the Yorktown wasn't explicitly in the movie, and wasn't one of those ships in spacedock that Kirk flies by (the on-screen NCC-1717) on the way to the new Enterprise, it might have worked. But, as it stands, it's nothing more than some pathetic reassertion by Roddenberry when he was struggling to remain relavent.
More than that, Tuvoc, in VOY, serves aboard a USS Yorktown the following year. So they replaced a Constitution class Yorktown (in the rediculous scenario above) with another one just for the hell of it?
Why is Chewbacca here?! Why is he here?! It makes no sense! :P
Yeah, it's a cute homage, and if the Yorktown wasn't explicitly in the movie, and wasn't one of those ships in spacedock that Kirk flies by (the on-screen NCC-1717) on the way to the new Enterprise, it might have worked. But, as it stands, it's nothing more than some pathetic reassertion by Roddenberry when he was struggling to remain relavent.
Why would we assume any of that? Why so angry at Gene Roddenberry?
BTW, the Yorktown is NCC-1704 (remember this is a "no-Jein numbers" zone) and it was Tuvok's father was the one who supposedly served on that ship. I had to look up both of those tidbits though, I didn't know either one off the top of my head.
I know where you're coming from though, and it would be nice if there was actually some consistency in Star Trek, but let's be honest, there isn't. The whole of idea of calling anything in this show "canon" is laughable. So what works for you is fine, but it doesn't negate what works for me.
It's like they said in Big Trouble in Little China, to paraphrase "Star Trek, it's like a salad bar, we take what we like, and leave the rest."
BTW, the Yorktown is NCC-1704 (remember this is a "no-Jein numbers" zone) and it was Tuvok's father was the one who supposedly served on that ship. I had to look up both of those tidbits though, I didn't know either one off the top of my head.
I know where you're coming from though, and it would be nice if there was actually some consistency in Star Trek, but let's be honest, there isn't. The whole of idea of calling anything in this show "canon" is laughable. So what works for you is fine, but it doesn't negate what works for me.
It's like they said in Big Trouble in Little China, to paraphrase "Star Trek, it's like a salad bar, we take what we like, and leave the rest."
Angry is a mis-statement. I'm annoyed that Roddenberry is cited as 'the all holy of all Trek' even on things that he had sod-all to do with. He had no involvement at all on TVH, despite his claims to the contrary. Gene, particularly post 1973 or so, had a very bad tendancy to make shit up to aggrandize himself - often to the detriment of all the other people who worked on Trek through the years.
TVH gets in that iffy area where things at Paramount were coming to a head. FASA gave the NCC-1717 Paramount's number for the Yorktown in products prior, and seemed to already be cementing the Jein numbers. I don't know the specifics of the timeline here, though, but I do know that the NCC-1717 shown was supposed to be the same Yorktown the probe had disabled.
This is somewhat further backed up with the new Saratoga at NCC-1887, as opposed to the previously-accepted NCC-1724. Granted, this could also mean that the NCC-1724 was lost or scrapped, and the NCC-1887 is a newer ship sharing the name. I'm just citing it here as evidence that by the time of TVH, the former adherance to the Tech Manual had been lost for good.
Like I said, the only real problem is that the ship we're talking about is in the actual movie. If had been the intended new (for instance) Excalibur then no big deal. The choice of the Yorktown just doesn't work within the movie's own narrative.
If we really need the homage, how about we go back to an earlier draft of the pitch and script and make her the Independence?
True, but we still have to call the cabbage 'cabbage'.
Jein's list also meant that all the Constitution class vessels were undergoing serious repairs, at the same time, at the same place. The Feddies should be thankful that the Klingons never found out.
Hate to spam a thread - just trying to answer things as I get to them.
The Ti-Ho is FASA's 'original name' for the Enterprise-A. Levant comes from SFPO's Ships of the Star Fleet. There are a few others from other sources, but I don't remember them off hand. (I think DC had one, but I can't find anything on it.)
Yorktown was christened by Okuda largely to appease Gene Roddenberry as a self-homage. As I said, though, it doesn't work because that particular ship is already in the movie.
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It's impossible to see the registry number of that other ship in Spacedock, so there's no way to categorically declare that it's the Yorktown.
Further, it makes absolutely NO sense to decommission a ship that's less than five years old, which is what we have if the E-A was a new build.
And who's to say that the Yorktown was set up any differently that what we saw? For all we know, all they changed was the dedication plaque and the registry numbers on the hull. The only other time we saw the bridge of the Yorktown, it was a closeup on the captain making the distress call, the lights were out, and there seemed to be smoke in the background. Worst case scenario, they swapped out the bridge module. Not a big whoop, move along.
Further, it makes absolutely NO sense to decommission a ship that's less than five years old, which is what we have if the E-A was a new build.
And who's to say that the Yorktown was set up any differently that what we saw? For all we know, all they changed was the dedication plaque and the registry numbers on the hull. The only other time we saw the bridge of the Yorktown, it was a closeup on the captain making the distress call, the lights were out, and there seemed to be smoke in the background. Worst case scenario, they swapped out the bridge module. Not a big whoop, move along.
Ah, I see. Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.
You can make out the NCC-1717 in the establishing shot. And, yeah, she's the Yorktown. (And, even she weren't right there, the fact that the Yorktown is explicitly one of the ships in the probe's wake makes it being rebuilt with a brand new engine, et al problematic.)
Seven years, but I won't disagree that decommissioning the Enterprise-A makes no sense. Even if her hull was considered old , the entire ship's equipment was new in 2286. The, of course, the hulls are supposed to last 100 years...
Star Trek V. She's explicitly a new ship.
If you want to ignore ST:V (which a lot of people will), you still have the issue of a new engine, etc., within a few days of bringing the Yorktown in. It's just not plausible.
as for the Enterprise A being decommisioned so soon maybe it was a small clause in the Kitomer Accords: Federation Starship USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-A is to be Decommisioned
at leasts thats what i thought all these years
so good idea there or no?
