Post Ultimate Computer USS Excalibur

[Vance]

as for the Enterprise A being decommisioned so soon maybe it was a small clause in the Kitomer Accords: Federation Starship USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-A is to be Decommisioned

at leasts thats what i thought all these years

so good idea there or no?

There's some historical precedent for that, such as the Treaty of Versialles. I could even see the Klingon Ambassador from ST:III saying "There will be no peace, until you get rid of that damn starship!"

The Federation says "Sure, and by the way, we've got some new uber-ships coming online, we'll make one of those the new Enterprise!"

The Ambassador says "Okay, just make sure to put some ineffectual dumbass in charge of her and we're golden."

Or someone forgot that the Enterprise-A was not the ship uprated in the Motion Picture. To this day there's quite a bit of even official material that conflates the idea that the 'A' is the uprated ship through all the movies.

 

[Santaman]

I always assumed that the A was an unnamed testbed for new technologies, maybe testing the non transwarp systems for the Excelsior, since a prototype isn't as easy to maintain and filled with non standard equipment it wouldn't be all that far fetched to decommision sooner then usually is the case.

 

[Vance]

I always assumed that the A was an unnamed testbed for new technologies, maybe testing the non transwarp systems for the Excelsior, since a prototype isn't as easy to maintain and filled with non standard equipment it wouldn't be all that far fetched to decommision sooner then usually is the case.

Tough call. A lot of the TVH-era material seemed to indicate that she was a transwarp ship, though one with limited power and max velocity compared to the Excelsior. She got the new engine, shields, and the whole bit.

After the story of the A was 're-canonized' for TNG, she became 'just another uprated Constitution' and identical to the previous ship. The new declaration of 'canon' really seems to have hurt TVH and TFF the most, though the later may be for the better.

 

[Captain Robert April]

You can make out the NCC-1717 in the establishing shot. And, yeah, she's the Yorktown. (And, even she weren't right there, the fact that the Yorktown is explicitly one of the ships in the probe's wake makes it being rebuilt with a brand new engine, et al problematic.)

Got a screencap? 'Cause I sure haven't seen any angles that showed anything resembling a legible registry number.

Also, remember how when the probe left, all those power systems that were knocked out came back on? It's a safe bet that the Yorktown was just fine and dandy as well.

 

[Vance]

Got a screencap? 'Cause I sure haven't seen any angles that showed anything resembling a legible registry number.

1:53:45, not very readible but you can make it out there. (The final 17 is somewhat clear on the upper right of the screen). The preceeding shot has the registry just cropped out of sight.

Again, I don't think this quite measures to 'canon' since it's a little obfuscated, but I think they didn't want the 'reveal' to look like another NCC-1701 was there by mistake. "But they just PASSED the Enterpr - no, wait, there it is."

The Saratoga is also supposed to be in dock in this scene, but I didn't see it anywhere. I know a few ships are 'just off shot' since the focus is tight on the shuttle, Excelsior, then Enterprise.

Oddly, the Oberth class ship there, which is shown in full glory, seems unmarked. I think that's supposed to be our whale biologist's science ship.

Also, remember how when the probe left, all those power systems that were knocked out came back on? It's a safe bet that the Yorktown was just fine and dandy as well.

True, but that would still conflate with the Ent-A being a new ship in Star Trek V. Even if you assume it's only the engine, why would you throw the old one out and keep the rest of the ship?

 

[Kaiser]

as for the Enterprise A being decommisioned so soon maybe it was a small clause in the Kitomer Accords: Federation Starship USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-A is to be Decommisioned

at leasts thats what i thought all these years

so good idea there or no?

There's some historical precedent for that, such as the Treaty of Versialles. I could even see the Klingon Ambassador from ST:III saying "There will be no peace, until you get rid of that damn starship!"

The Federation says "Sure, and by the way, we've got some new uber-ships coming online, we'll make one of those the new Enterprise!"

The Ambassador says "Okay, just make sure to put some ineffectual dumbass in charge of her and we're golden."

Or someone forgot that the Enterprise-A was not the ship uprated in the Motion Picture. To this day there's quite a bit of even official material that conflates the idea that the 'A' is the uprated ship through all the movies.

thanks im glad my idea might be workable

 

[GilmourD]

as for the Enterprise A being decommisioned so soon maybe it was a small clause in the Kitomer Accords: Federation Starship USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-A is to be Decommisioned

at leasts thats what i thought all these years

Something I read about decommissioning the Enterprise-A was that there was some severe structural damage due to its last battle that was deemed not worth the cost of tearing the entire ship down to fix.

Kinda like your insurance totaling out your car after an accident.

 

[Kaiser]

as for the Enterprise A being decommisioned so soon maybe it was a small clause in the Kitomer Accords: Federation Starship USS ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-A is to be Decommisioned

at leasts thats what i thought all these years

Something I read about decommissioning the Enterprise-A was that there was some severe structural damage due to its last battle that was deemed not worth the cost of tearing the entire ship down to fix.

Kinda like your insurance totaling out your car after an accident.

I've read that too as well but i forget where maybe in one of the Star Trek Encycolpedia's?

 

[Vance]

I've read that too as well but i forget where maybe in one of the Star Trek Encycolpedia's?

I could see that, but Star Fleet made the decision before the ship had been formally inspected for damage, much less for a viability study to be performed. It always struck me as more political, IE. decommisioned for the sake of peace with the Klingons.

 

[LordSarvain]

yeah but it was the Yorktown...

 

[publiusr]

One of the things I noticed about your Excalibur was that the secondary hull seems longer. You know, I seem to remember something from DC comics that showed that breaking up in Ultimate Computer as depicted in the comic history manual, that had the Whitewind romulan ship on the cover.

This also makes your Excalibur rather like the TAS enterprise
http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ship_pan.jpg
http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ship_ext.html

Now, to have that actually work from a true side view, you might actually have to slant the nacelles back a bit.

 

[Kaiser]

One of the things I noticed about your Excalibur was that the secondary hull seems longer. You know, I seem to remember something from DC comics that showed that breaking up in Ultimate Computer as depicted in the comic history manual, that had the Whitewind romulan ship on the cover.

This also makes your Excalibur rather like the TAS enterprise
http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ship_pan.jpg
http://www.startrekanimated.com/tas_ship_ext.html

Now, to have that actually work from a true side view, you might actually have to slant the nacelles back a bit.

Comic History Manual? which issue was that? the Who's Who in Star trek ones or something else?

 

[publiusr]

The Who's Who I think it was

 

[Kaiser]

The Who's Who I think it was

ahh ok good

also that Haynes Enterprise book from last year says Enterprise A was the Yorktown...

 

[Captain Robert April]

So, the book's not all bad, after all...

 

[Kaiser]

So, the book's not all bad, after all...

actually IMHO its a good read and worth the price plus in it we find out just what the Tomed Incident was and why the Enterprise B disappeared plus i've read the book prolly 4 times all ready cover to cover

 

[Captain Robert April]

Four times? That must taken at least a half hour.

 

[Vance]

So, the book's not all bad, after all...

Your balls are in danger, April... :P

 

[Kaiser]

Four times? That must taken at least a half hour.

about 1 or 2 each time cus i read from cover to cover

 

[CuttingEdge100]

The whole idea of the Excalibur making for a testbed is actually brilliant -- you could even weave together a plot that it helped create the TMP Refit