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Poor Jeri Ryan

IF (and I mean "IF" only because we weren't there and what's been reported here has not really been well-corroborated, at least to my knowledge) the actors portraying humans actually were told to tone down their emotions, well, that kind of explains a awful lot of what happened and excuses almost every actor from complaints seen on this board:

The actors were only doing as they were told.

Ryan, Picardo, and Phillips were told to play up their emotions to the point that Seven never learned anything lasting from her experiences, Doc became histrionic at times, and Neelix lost what good characterization he had and became disliked by many fans and considered a joke. I personally believe that each of these actors were quite good with what they were given and wished that Neelix in particular was allowed to remain the conflicted character he had within him.

As for Beltran, Wang, Mulgrew, and even O'Neill and Dawson, no wonder Chakotay and Harry are said to seem "wooden"--they were told to be so. Except, of course, in "Timeless" when their emotions were the only things propelling the story. If Mulgrew was told to "tone down," then the only time her emotions would have a chance to show would be when he character was pissed/angry/upset--making Janeway appear schizo. Paris and Torres got less and less time, so why no enhance their directing skills--an area each apparently was interested in and quite capable of--since they sure weren't being used much for their acting ability.

Russ was almost excused, since Tuvok was supposed to be quite controlled in his emotions--so instead of being allowed to show the intricacies of a "non-emotional" character having to interact almost exclusively with highly emotional ones, he was stuck with boring stuff until the writers/producers/whomever decided to give Tuvok a meaty storyline.

Taking all of this into account (if true), then the actors did a highly commendable job under stultifying conditions. All of them. And if there were problems between Mulgrew and Ryan (which I've read of before, but again, I wasn't there to know it firsthand), they certainly didn't let that interfere with their scenes. If it affected the other actors, that's a real pity. Everyone who's worked where there's personality conflicts knows how trying they can be.
 
I'd take Wang's comments with a grain of salt. He was the weakest actor on the show who wasn't always prepared and frequently late to the set. He was going to be axed from the show in season four were it not for the appearance as one of People's most beautiful people. He accused Berman of racism for not allowing him to direct an episode or two.

While there is some truth to Mulgrew being upset over Lien's firing and Jeri Ryan stealing the Captain's spotlight, I think Wang is overblowing them.

I did see an interview with Ryan where she did say in that first season that she thought the show was too much. Her near breaking point was during the filming of "Killing Game" where she was battling a cold, she was shuttling back and forth to Chicago, she had a young child, the hours were long. She thought to herself what did she get herself into.
 
No, I think you do actually. Or better say - you assume such. Or at least that is how it seems to me.

Sorry your post makes no sense.

I agree to a degree that Wang is trying to use this as an excuse for his bad acting. Wang really couldn't act and there's one specific line I remember where he was supposed to say "you're a real optomistic guy Tom" but he couldn't even express sarcasm, it was just pitiful, you can't blame that on Berman's instructions.
 
Okay, I listened to the interview. But I don't really know whether I should believe what he says about Mulgrew's behaviour. I think he's maybe exaggerating a little bit. But if it's true I'd say it's highly unprofessional of her to behave like that. I think it's understandable given the circumstances, but that doesn't make it right.

I found the stuff he says about Berman very weird. I mean, Berman telling the cast members that everyone who's playing a human on the show has to tone done their character's emotions is really ridiculous. Wang says that only Neelix and the Doctor were allowed to show emotions and be funny. I can' believe these were Berman's beliefs.

Agreed.

As much of a Berman basher as I've been in the past, I also find it hard to believe that he would coach them like that too, but it would explain a lot if Berman said stuff like that. Especially if he was trying to blindly maintain the 'perfect humans' fallacy without really understanding what it was about.
 
Okay, I listened to the interview. But I don't really know whether I should believe what he says about Mulgrew's behaviour. I think he's maybe exaggerating a little bit. But if it's true I'd say it's highly unprofessional of her to behave like that. I think it's understandable given the circumstances, but that doesn't make it right.

I found the stuff he says about Berman very weird. I mean, Berman telling the cast members that everyone who's playing a human on the show has to tone done their character's emotions is really ridiculous. Wang says that only Neelix and the Doctor were allowed to show emotions and be funny. I can' believe these were Berman's beliefs.

Agreed.

As much of a Berman basher as I've been in the past, I also find it hard to believe that he would coach them like that too, but it would explain a lot if Berman said stuff like that. Especially if he was trying to blindly maintain the 'perfect humans' fallacy without really understanding what it was about.

Berman was a complete disciple of Gene Roddenberry, he said himself that Roddenberry was once told him that Star Trek wasn't broke so he shouldn't try to fix it and he stuck to that. I find what Garret said perfectly believable, I don't think he's a barefaced liar!
 
I wouldn't call Berman a 'disciple of the vision' as much as a pragmatist. I'd say he wanted to maintain what worked with TNG as much as possible since it was viewed as the standard for modern Trek.
 
TNG was a a success because it raised the bar. DS9 raised it further and then Voyager lowered it. Enterprise lost the bar.
 
TNG was a a success because it raised the bar. DS9 raised it further and then Voyager lowered it. Enterprise lost the bar.
To be fair, with its "battle of the week" it was sometimes more like DS9 got drunk at the bar.
But at least it consisted of solid writing for the most part.

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LOL @ DS9 raising the bar further. But each to its own. :)
Well, it´s the beginning of "dumbing down" Trek but at least Defiant wasn´t flapping its nacelles, there was no "Boob Of Nine" and the Borg were still more than a weak "enemy of the week".
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I take boobies and flapping nacelles anyday before spending my time with Bajorans. :lol:

But like said - to each to its own.
 
I agree with the statements that there was perhaps a need to get something new done with Trek, refreshing it a little. However, they did that with Enterprise and it was a turn off for many fans. So perhaps the change came too quickly after all, or it was done in a poor fashion. I dunno which.


This just shows your personal biases. The biggest criticism of Enterprise was that it was NOT new and refreshing but stale and reheated Voyager. That's what turned off a lot of people like myself. The ONLY Star trek series that tried to do anything new and different from the TNG mold was DS9.
 
I agree with the statements that there was perhaps a need to get something new done with Trek, refreshing it a little. However, they did that with Enterprise and it was a turn off for many fans. So perhaps the change came too quickly after all, or it was done in a poor fashion. I dunno which.


This just shows your personal biases. The biggest criticism of Enterprise was that it was NOT new and refreshing but stale and reheated Voyager. That's what turned off a lot of people like myself. The ONLY Star trek series that tried to do anything new and different from the TNG mold was DS9.

The only mold DS9 broke was the fact that it was on space station. It was still very much alike with TNG in many ways. It looked the same, felt the same, tasted and smelled the same. One look at it with outsider's eyes (outsider - someone who watches Trek every now and then without being a huge fan) and one could instantly recognize it as a Trek show. So I don't think DS9 is not as unique as some Niners want it to be. Or perhaps the differences come more apparent when diving deeper in Trekdom and gaining more understanding what has already been done. ;)
 
While the seeds of DS9 we're planted in TNG, which had its fair share of political episodes, dark episodes and even story arcs, DS9 was a much different animal. The First Season did have a somewhat TNG feeling, but it was already quite different. The atmosphere (c'mon a Cardassian Station is like the opposite of the Enterprise-D when it comes to mood), there were alot more aliens, and non-starfleet aliens at that, more conflict as well.

TNG was an alien/disease/anomaly/crisis of the week series (with some of those political/arc episodes in the middle). How many episodes were like that in season 3-7 of DS9? Very, very few. Even in Season 2 there weren't that much... Most episodes dealt with things that had been approached before and built on them...

So it was a different animal... Being on a station wasn't the only thing that broke the mold, that's just not true...
 
Whereas TNG was more philosophy based I would consider DS9 to have explored political issues and themes in greater depth. TNG did politics well but it dealt with them in terms of theory imo.
 
She was understandably pissed off that Lien was leaving for some anti-feminised borgified playboy bunny to come on and change the whole show.

And thank god that she did. :techman: Change the whole show (Ryan), I mean. Not the part about being pissed off (Mulgrew).

Star Trek works better with a degree of sexuality. Plus, Seven didn't bang the hell out of everyone on board, she just caused a spike in hormones.
 
I am sorry to hear Mulgrew and Ryan may not have gotten along - I felt they had great onscreen chemistry - kind of like an Auntie thing. Evidence I suppose, of both thier acting skills.
 
I met Mulgrew at a Slanted Fedora Con. in Philly.
She came on stage and did a ten minute long speech on how she hates the idea of younger women actress getting more parts over older actress in Hollywood. Then when Q&A went to the paying audience she was asked by a fan if the rumors were true about her & Jeri Ryan not getting along. Without hesitation she replied "Yes, we didn't gel. I think she's a wonderful actress but no, I didn't get along with her."

That's from Mulgrews own mouth to the hundrends that attented that day.
If Slated Fedora kept transcripts, I'm sure they'll back it up.
So yes, I believe the OP & without a doubt Garrett Wang.
 
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