Poor Jeri Ryan

[kimc]

No, there weren't many new women fans tuning in to Voyager to admire Jeri's wonderful shape.

There were, however, women fans who tuned in to admire Jeri's wonderful performance.

Or don't we count?

I hate to be the one to break this to you but no we don't count. We are not the "desired demographic". That is why the captain of the series could not be too feminine - the "desired demographic" might get freaked out. Also, despite the fact that Jeri Ryan turned in what has to be one of the best Trek performances in "The Gift" the reaction of the network suits was "Get her out of that borg costume and into something sexy."

Hey, nothing wrong with looking at an attractive person. After all, most of the Voyager cast gets paid to be much more attractive than most of us poor slobs who watch the show. Nothing wrong with a little sex either. However, in the case of Trek it's dumbed-down sex - titillation instead of passion, fetishism instead of reality. Why be adult about it.

As for the Mulgrew/Ryan drama what is more fun than the thought of a cat fight between two women? Were they professionals? Did they perform well together? The heck with that - we want to hear that Mulgrew spent each day on the set throwing donuts at Ryan.

One of my favorite stories is a new BSG interview with Katee Sackhoff where she was asked about her not getting along with Tricia Helfer. Her reaction: "I'm meeting her for a beer later. Why would I be doing that if I didn't like her?" How disappointing for the catfight fans.

Mulgrew and Ryan may not have been drinking buddies (since both were single moms at the time that wouldn't be realistic anyway) but they performed well together and seem to respect each other's talents. When you consider all the drama that goes on in the average workplace that's not too shabby, imo.

 

[propita]

Mulgrew's comment from whichever con--quoted some pages ago here--that she did not want Janeway to have sex was interesting. I'd hate to believe she thought a woman having a sex life/love life couldn't also be strong. What seems more likely is that she didn't think the writers/directors/producers/studio/whomever could handle this well.

BUT...I think this lack of love life--for whatever reason--directly led to nBSG's Laura Roslin being able to have a private life, be strong, be wrong on occasion, etc. The timing was just wrong--what was "new" with Janeway became "no big deal" with Roslin.

As a fan of J/C, it would've been nice to see two responsible people handling an intimate relationship in an adult manner. Was there ANY couple on any ST that managed this--or should I say, did any writers manage this?

 

[Jaespol]

No, there weren't many new women fans tuning in to Voyager to admire Jeri's wonderful shape.

There were, however, women fans who tuned in to admire Jeri's wonderful performance.

Or don't we count?

I hate to be the one to break this to you but no we don't count. We are not the "desired demographic". That is why the captain of the series could not be too feminine - the "desired demographic" might get freaked out. Also, despite the fact that Jeri Ryan turned in what has to be one of the best Trek performances in "The Gift" the reaction of the network suits was "Get her out of that borg costume and into something sexy."

Hey, nothing wrong with looking at an attractive person. After all, most of the Voyager cast gets paid to be much more attractive than most of us poor slobs who watch the show. Nothing wrong with a little sex either. However, in the case of Trek it's dumbed-down sex - titillation instead of passion, fetishism instead of reality. Why be adult about it.

As for the Mulgrew/Ryan drama what is more fun than the thought of a cat fight between two women? Were they professionals? Did they perform well together? The heck with that - we want to hear that Mulgrew spent each day on the set throwing donuts at Ryan.

One of my favorite stories is a new BSG interview with Katee Sackhoff where she was asked about her not getting along with Tricia Helfer. Her reaction: "I'm meeting her for a beer later. Why would I be doing that if I didn't like her?" How disappointing for the catfight fans.

Mulgrew and Ryan may not have been drinking buddies (since both were single moms at the time that wouldn't be realistic anyway) but they performed well together and seem to respect each other's talents. When you consider all the drama that goes on in the average workplace that's not too shabby, imo.

Yes but the evidence does point to Mulgrew throwing "barbs" at Ryan.

 

[Michael]

Yes but the evidence does point to Mulgrew throwing "barbs" at Ryan.

Evidence? Hearsay does hardly constitute evidence. Neither here nor in a courtroom.

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[Jaespol]

Yes but the evidence does point to Mulgrew throwing "barbs" at Ryan.

Evidence? Hearsay does hardly constitute evidence. Neither here nor in a courtroom.

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I don't consider hearsay. Garret Wang who was on the set pretty much every day and had plenty of scenes with Jeri and Kate said so. Its as good as hearing it from the mouth of Kate or Jeri. He was THERE!
It takes a lot to convince some people doesn't it? I guess some people only believe what they want to believe.

 

[exodus]

Yes but the evidence does point to Mulgrew throwing "barbs" at Ryan.

Evidence? Hearsay does hardly constitute evidence. Neither here nor in a courtroom.

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I don't consider Hear'say. Garret Wang who was on the set pretty much every day and had plenty of scenes with Jeri and Kate said so. Its as good as hearing it from the mouth of Kate or Jeri. He was THERE!
It takes a lot to convince some people doesn't it? I guess some people only believe what they want to believe.

You can't.

For some odd reason some people believe that because Trek is about a higher class of people that the actors that play on the show live that lifestyle too. Unless you're openly vocal like Robert Beltran. Then you're black listed for talking badly about Trek because you treated it like a job.

For many Trek is not a show, Trek is a lifestyle.
At least that's the vibe I get.
(this isn't a swipe at anyone personally)

 

[Deckerd]

Hear'say? Isn't that a band?

 

[Praetor]

Yes but the evidence does point to Mulgrew throwing "barbs" at Ryan.

Evidence? Hearsay does hardly constitute evidence. Neither here nor in a courtroom.

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I don't consider Hear'say. Garret Wang who was on the set pretty much every day and had plenty of scenes with Jeri and Kate said so. Its as good as hearing it from the mouth of Kate or Jeri. He was THERE!
It takes a lot to convince some people doesn't it? I guess some people only believe what they want to believe.

It's hearsay because, even though Wang was there to observe it, he was not one of the parties in question and there is no corroboration to his account. If this were court, we'd need both Mulgrew and Ryan to present their arguments, then bring in Wang as a witness. As it is, for all we know, he may be lying. I'm not saying he is, but he could be. We don't know. We'd need at least one corroboration from someone else like Beltran or Russ to confirm his account.

I wish Ryan would say something, but I don't think she will anytime soon. I suspect we'll never know the full story. Therefore, I'd rather not judge anyone.

 

[exodus]

Evidence? Hearsay does hardly constitute evidence. Neither here nor in a courtroom.

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I don't consider Hear'say. Garret Wang who was on the set pretty much every day and had plenty of scenes with Jeri and Kate said so. Its as good as hearing it from the mouth of Kate or Jeri. He was THERE!
It takes a lot to convince some people doesn't it? I guess some people only believe what they want to believe.

It's hearsay because, even though Wang was there to observe it, he was not one of the parties in question and there is no corroboration to his account. If this were court, we'd need both Mulgrew and Ryan to present their arguments, then bring in Wang as a witness. As it is, for all we know, he may be lying. I'm not saying he is, but he could be. We don't know. We'd need at least one corroboration from someone else like Beltran or Russ to confirm his account.

I wish Ryan would say something, but I don't think she will anytime soon. I suspect we'll never know the full story. Therefore, I'd rather not judge anyone.

What reason would he have to lie....................and then bring it to the publics attention?

 

[JustKate]

Exodus...he doesn't have to be lying. He could just be wrong for any of a number of reasons - because it makes a good story... because he's the kind of person who rewrites history and exaggerates things in his own mind...because he's reporting gossip that he heard rather than something he personally saw...or whatever. Haven't you ever known anybody who does those things? I have. Heck I'm closely related to one or two.

On the other hand, he could perfectly accurate.

You don't know and I don't know, so why pretend that we do? I'm not going to sit here and judge either Mulgrew or Wang based on this...stuff. It just isn't fair or logical.

And it doesn't matter anyway. As Kimc put it so well, "(T)hey performed well together and seem to respect each other's talents. When you consider all the drama that goes on in the average workplace that's not too shabby, imo." I'm content to leave it at that. If you want to pick a villain here, that's your right.

 

[Praetor]

Exodus, of course I don't think that Wang was outright lying, and I don't know for sure that he's exaggerating either. My point was that we just don't know. There's no direct corroboration. And JustKate is right - he could be perfectly accurate. We. Just. Don't. Know.

Does anyone else kind of feel uncleanly voyeuristic about this whole thing?

I mean, it's one thing to have the whole cast on a stage reminiscing, but it's another to have these little 'jab' type reports coming from different sources at different places when other people aren't present to state their side of the story...

 

[exodus]

Exodus...he doesn't have to be lying. He could just be wrong for any of a number of reasons - because it makes a good story... because he's the kind of person who rewrites history and exaggerates things in his own mind...because he's reporting gossip that he heard rather than something he personally saw...or whatever. Haven't you ever known anybody who does those things? I have. Heck I'm closely related to one or two.

No, I chose not to associate with liars or dishonest people.
I believe the people you associate with represent you.
So no, I don't have much tolerance for people that make shit up in the real world.

However, if you believe Wang could possablely be this way, then it's also possable Mulgrew could be a bitch. I also don't think anybody is "pretending" anything. We're addressing the OP's question in which we are all allowed to express our opinions weather some agree with them or not.

Still, if you say you're content with your opinion, with all due respect, why do you continue to take issue with those that don't?

 

[JustKate]

The only way I "took issue" with you in my last post, Exodus, is in your insistance that I am calling Wang a liar. I am not. I am saying that I. Don't. Know. And also that You. Don't. Know. either.

I didn't call him a liar, I have never called him a liar, and I don't like it that you keep insisting that's what I'm doing.

I haven't, in fact, called anybody a liar - that is not a term I use lightly, and I sure the heck haven't used it in this thread. Please do not put words in my mouth.

"Bitch" is a term that I use even less than "liar." You can toss it around as casually as you like, but I shall not join you, no matter who we are talking about.

Can we please talk about something else now? Anything.

 

[exodus]

The only way I "took issue" with you in my last post, Exodus, is in your insistance that I am calling Wang a liar. I am not. I am saying that I. Don't. Know. And also that You. Don't. Know. either.

I didn't call him a liar, I have never called him a liar, and I don't like it that you keep insisting that's what I'm doing.

I haven't, in fact, called anybody a liar - that is not a term I use lightly, and I sure the heck haven't used it in this thread. Please do not put words in my mouth.

"Bitch" is a term that I use even less than liar. You can toss it around as casually as you like, but I shall not join you, no matter who we are talking about.

Please, step off that high horse and read things properly.
My exact quote was: What reason would he have to lie....................and then bring it to the publics attention?

That's not calling anybody anything of the sort, it asking the simple question of "Why?"

Ryan & Mulgrew's conflict is the topic of the post.
Why are you posting in this thread if you don't like the topic?

 

[JustKate]

So I guess the answer to my last question is, "No." Great.

 

[freak]

I'm really not for sure about who is right and who is wrong about the Wang/Mulgrew/Ryan drama. However, I know for a fact that when Jeri was interviewd in the Voyager DVD sets, she always stated that everyone had fun on the set of Voyager. They were always joking and always cutting up.
And wow, I didn't realize that posters can take things way out of proportions in this forum. Can't we all just learn to get along? We can state our own opinons without being called terrible names about it. Just observing and stating my .02 on the matter.

 

[Praetor]

I'll say this: I'll agree with 'Poor Jeri Ryan' to the extent that it must have sucked to be the focus of all this (presumably unwanted) attention, since so much of it has always been negative.

 

[exodus]

I'll say this: I'll agree with 'Poor Jeri Ryan' to the extent that it must have sucked to be the focus of all this (presumably unwanted) attention, since so much of it has always been negative.

On this, we can agree.

 

[JustKate]

Yeah, it can't have been easy to be the new kid, particularly when almost alllllllll the attention, both positive and negative, focused initially not on her work but on how she looked. That's a pretty heavy cross that an actress has to bear. Most actresses, actually - I don't think very many transcend the "is she beautiful enough?" syndrome unless they are very lucky, and even then they usually have to extend their career into late middle age or even old age, which not very many do. Katherine Hepburn managed it, and there are others. But jeez.

 

[Guy Gardener]

So this means that Wang never got any strange on the set?

Or does this mean that he did get strange on the set and this is him obfuscating?