Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
They shall forge a new world of vulcanized rubber and velcro.
They shall forge a new world of vulcanized rubber and velcro.
Pon Farr, and reproducing Vulcan Culture/ P.F. and Surviving Vulcans
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Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Old Spock may become some kind of figurehead for the rebuilding. Maybe we'll see him again. Some part of me hates he's stuck in a previous century...
Old Spock may become some kind of figurehead for the rebuilding. Maybe we'll see him again. Some part of me hates he's stuck in a previous century...
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Guess they'll Forge a new Vulcan
http://www.amazon.com/Vulcans-Forge-Star-Susan-Shwartz/dp/0671009273
Guess they'll Forge a new Vulcan
http://www.amazon.com/Vulcans-Forge-Star-Susan-Shwartz/dp/0671009273
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Very punny.
Very punny.
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Jokes about Pon Farr aside, I do have to wonder if the psychological trauma of the survivors might trigger the condition prematurely, on a wide spread scale. I can see a story based around the idea of Vulcans having identity crisis, a cultural identity crisis, over a perceived loss of self control. I think I agree about the Vulcans attempting to make it as logical as they possibly can, it might be interesting to see if they manage it against a flood of compulsive pairings that are not sanctioned by those who want it to be an orderly process.
A friend of mine speculated on the basis of studies done in which creatures are isolated in circumstances that duplicate a population bottleneck, according to him the study showed that the genetic code unlocked and increased the chances of mutation. If that happened with Vulcans...well, again, imagine the possibilities. If the Remans are an example of tertiary branching from Vulcan society...I hardly know where to start. My friend also seemed to be under the impression that Spock Prime intended to contribute to the gene pool (and here I was picturing him offering advise to the Vulcan elders, with a pragmatic viewpoint regarding emotions and self-control).
Jokes about Pon Farr aside, I do have to wonder if the psychological trauma of the survivors might trigger the condition prematurely, on a wide spread scale. I can see a story based around the idea of Vulcans having identity crisis, a cultural identity crisis, over a perceived loss of self control. I think I agree about the Vulcans attempting to make it as logical as they possibly can, it might be interesting to see if they manage it against a flood of compulsive pairings that are not sanctioned by those who want it to be an orderly process.
A friend of mine speculated on the basis of studies done in which creatures are isolated in circumstances that duplicate a population bottleneck, according to him the study showed that the genetic code unlocked and increased the chances of mutation. If that happened with Vulcans...well, again, imagine the possibilities. If the Remans are an example of tertiary branching from Vulcan society...I hardly know where to start. My friend also seemed to be under the impression that Spock Prime intended to contribute to the gene pool (and here I was picturing him offering advise to the Vulcan elders, with a pragmatic viewpoint regarding emotions and self-control).
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Polygamy and sexy parties...
Polygamy and sexy parties...
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
I like this idea, although the Romulans might not!
I like this idea, although the Romulans might not!
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
Vulcans will be the mack daddies of the galaxy, fookin' any race that has the right hardware
Vulcan-Andorian hybrids... Vulcan Cardies, Vulcan Bajorans, Vulcan Tellerites (keepa them warm at night!), Vulcan Klingons, Vulcan Orions, Vulcan Betazoids (now that's a fuckin' great combo there!, Super-Psi's!), Vulcan Deltans (another effin' good idea!) and of course Vulcan Romulans and Vulcan Humans.
Although would the Vulcans knowingly screw with Denobulans?
Vulcans will be the mack daddies of the galaxy, fookin' any race that has the right hardware
Vulcan-Andorian hybrids... Vulcan Cardies, Vulcan Bajorans, Vulcan Tellerites (keepa them warm at night!), Vulcan Klingons, Vulcan Orions, Vulcan Betazoids (now that's a fuckin' great combo there!, Super-Psi's!), Vulcan Deltans (another effin' good idea!) and of course Vulcan Romulans and Vulcan Humans.
Although would the Vulcans knowingly screw with Denobulans?
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
I've been wondering about Spock Prime's "contributions".
He's not a source of pure Vulcan genetic material, and while I'm as opposed to the anti-human bias shown him as the next person, it's a fact that if they're going to rebuild the VULCAN race, they're going to need VULCAN genetic material. Not DNA that's half human.
The Vulcans would do BETTER drawing on Romulans as a DNA source than humans. The result would still be truly Vulcan, since the Romulans ARE of Vulcan ancestry.
I'm also wondering about something else...
Setting up a colony with the last 10,000 members of the race, all in one place.
Oh, now THAT'S not dangerous with regards to preserving the race, is it?
I can't help but wonder if Spock Prime may have missed it on this one too. (Is he getting senile?) Wouldn't it make more sense for the Vulcans to be somewhere that's got an existing population and thus more likely to have adequate defenses? (Don't bring up the destruction of Vulcan....the Narada had future tech.)
They could be all together and not mixing that much (certainly not biologically) with the rest of the people there. It strikes me as making more sense than the entire surviving population being alone together on some newly established colony world that might be vulnerable. (Didn't Starfleet just lose quite a few ships and officers, not to mention up and coming faces from the Academy?)
A few things should be thought out before anything we've heard about is actually done.
I've been wondering about Spock Prime's "contributions".
He's not a source of pure Vulcan genetic material, and while I'm as opposed to the anti-human bias shown him as the next person, it's a fact that if they're going to rebuild the VULCAN race, they're going to need VULCAN genetic material. Not DNA that's half human.
The Vulcans would do BETTER drawing on Romulans as a DNA source than humans. The result would still be truly Vulcan, since the Romulans ARE of Vulcan ancestry.
I'm also wondering about something else...
Setting up a colony with the last 10,000 members of the race, all in one place.
Oh, now THAT'S not dangerous with regards to preserving the race, is it?
I can't help but wonder if Spock Prime may have missed it on this one too. (Is he getting senile?) Wouldn't it make more sense for the Vulcans to be somewhere that's got an existing population and thus more likely to have adequate defenses? (Don't bring up the destruction of Vulcan....the Narada had future tech.)
They could be all together and not mixing that much (certainly not biologically) with the rest of the people there. It strikes me as making more sense than the entire surviving population being alone together on some newly established colony world that might be vulnerable. (Didn't Starfleet just lose quite a few ships and officers, not to mention up and coming faces from the Academy?)
A few things should be thought out before anything we've heard about is actually done.
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
I'm not so sure about that. Remember that TNG ep where an injured Romulan needs a transfusion? Only *Worf* was a compatible donor. There were other Vulcans on board, but they couldn't do it. Suggests that Romulans are not pure Vulcan in blood.
What's the problem? Nero is dead, and there's no particular threat to the Vulcans on the horizon. (The Klingons and Romulans wouldn't bother with them anyway.)
There will probably be a Federation-wide alert - "All Vulcans, come back to the colony right now, and start having babies!" Since we know the 10,000 does not include Vulcans who were offworld, there could be quite a large genetic base for repopulating the species. Those offworld Vulcans would surely be encouraged to return home and help the rebuilding.
I'm not so sure about that. Remember that TNG ep where an injured Romulan needs a transfusion? Only *Worf* was a compatible donor. There were other Vulcans on board, but they couldn't do it. Suggests that Romulans are not pure Vulcan in blood.
What's the problem? Nero is dead, and there's no particular threat to the Vulcans on the horizon. (The Klingons and Romulans wouldn't bother with them anyway.)
There will probably be a Federation-wide alert - "All Vulcans, come back to the colony right now, and start having babies!" Since we know the 10,000 does not include Vulcans who were offworld, there could be quite a large genetic base for repopulating the species. Those offworld Vulcans would surely be encouraged to return home and help the rebuilding.
Re: How will Vulcan society rebuild?
While Beverly said the Romulans weren't exactly the same as Vulcans, this could be attributed to whatever made them look different by the TNG era.
Trek'09 takes place well before that, with the Rommies looking Vulcan. (Tho' Chekov said in TOS's Enterprise Incident that even then there was a SLIGHT difference, somehow, between the two races.)
Besides, Beverly made it sound like it wasn't a matter of race, but simply of being compatible. NONE of the Vulcans onboard could help, and I'm pretty sure she hadn't stopped there. Believe she checked the ENTIRE crew.
That was how she found Worf WAS a match.
And again, we have NO idea why the Romulans, including the dying one, no longer looked Vulcan. Maybe they WERE part Klingon. Still, as said, the movie takes place before even the TOS time period. The Romulans then would be FAR closer to Vulcan than Spock would be.
As for Nero being dead, oh, of course there are NO other potential sources of danger.
You don't think some sicko from Andoria might not start getting ideas, for example?
Stop and think about how important the Vulcans have been in the Federation. Now they're reduced to 10,000 in number, and are being isolated as the sole inhabitants of a colony world? No, this wouldn't leave them open to genocidal lunatics, hostage takers, etc, would it?
I also can't agree with you on the number being above 10,000. Spock's wording made it sound like that was the TOTAL number of ALL Vulcans left, not just those who managed to get away that day.
Do agree with you that it's time to start having babies, tho'.
They've got to be fully Vulcan children, however, if the race isn't to become so blended with other races that it simply gets absorbed by the rest of the Federation and fades away.
This does make it appear Spock would be out of the running as a DNA source, if this is cared about at all.
While Beverly said the Romulans weren't exactly the same as Vulcans, this could be attributed to whatever made them look different by the TNG era.
Trek'09 takes place well before that, with the Rommies looking Vulcan. (Tho' Chekov said in TOS's Enterprise Incident that even then there was a SLIGHT difference, somehow, between the two races.)
Besides, Beverly made it sound like it wasn't a matter of race, but simply of being compatible. NONE of the Vulcans onboard could help, and I'm pretty sure she hadn't stopped there. Believe she checked the ENTIRE crew.
That was how she found Worf WAS a match.
And again, we have NO idea why the Romulans, including the dying one, no longer looked Vulcan. Maybe they WERE part Klingon. Still, as said, the movie takes place before even the TOS time period. The Romulans then would be FAR closer to Vulcan than Spock would be.
As for Nero being dead, oh, of course there are NO other potential sources of danger.
You don't think some sicko from Andoria might not start getting ideas, for example?
Stop and think about how important the Vulcans have been in the Federation. Now they're reduced to 10,000 in number, and are being isolated as the sole inhabitants of a colony world? No, this wouldn't leave them open to genocidal lunatics, hostage takers, etc, would it?
I also can't agree with you on the number being above 10,000. Spock's wording made it sound like that was the TOTAL number of ALL Vulcans left, not just those who managed to get away that day.
Do agree with you that it's time to start having babies, tho'.
They've got to be fully Vulcan children, however, if the race isn't to become so blended with other races that it simply gets absorbed by the rest of the Federation and fades away.
This does make it appear Spock would be out of the running as a DNA source, if this is cared about at all.
Dusty Ayres
Commodore
Re: Vulcan survivors
Or Paramount/Viacom goes out of business, and the Star Trek rights are sold to Warner Bros, with DC Comics being assigned to run the franchise.
Or Paramount/Viacom goes out of business, and the Star Trek rights are sold to Warner Bros, with DC Comics being assigned to run the franchise.
