Seven ending up with Chakotay (the most dull/boring/useless character in Trek history bar none) offended me more than anything else in the history of Star Trek.
POLL: Chakotay - Seven or Janeway
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If you think I'M old, I won't even tell you how old my husband is. You'll be scarred for life.
Old people sex ... sheesh.
At moments like this I do think that the division line for statutory rape is somewhat ridiculous that sleeping with someone 15 years your junior could be at all palatable.
Penises get less wrinkled and more hairy as they get older, it's an inverse relationship to the other %98 of the body.
From my perspective at 32, well 28 just seems like children sex, and 21 sounds disturbing-ling like a scandal at a kindergarten.
Although, the older you get, the further in either direction you become willing to date that by 45, one day you could be dating sperm, and the following evening you're taking a corpse out on the town, which enters a repulsive series of combinations as to how our regular group sex options might descend into the wierd.
Mulgrew could have made Janeway younger at heart which wouldn't have tricked us into thinking that her flesh was old, far oplder than it really was, but she didn't. Somehow the actress though that she could do a good job with out being a prop to obvious mastubatitive fantasies.
I wonder if she was sleeping with Cavit or the original Doctor? Because if that dead person was her lover, then being in secret morning was a much better excuse leaving her pants on for 7 years, than that she was saving herself for Mark.
Penises get less wrinkled and more hairy as they get older, it's an inverse relationship to the other %98 of the body.
From my perspective at 32, well 28 just seems like children sex, and 21 sounds disturbing-ling like a scandal at a kindergarten.
Although, the older you get, the further in either direction you become willing to date that by 45, one day you could be dating sperm, and the following evening you're taking a corpse out on the town, which enters a repulsive series of combinations as to how our regular group sex options might descend into the wierd.
Mulgrew could have made Janeway younger at heart which wouldn't have tricked us into thinking that her flesh was old, far oplder than it really was, but she didn't. Somehow the actress though that she could do a good job with out being a prop to obvious mastubatitive fantasies.
I wonder if she was sleeping with Cavit or the original Doctor? Because if that dead person was her lover, then being in secret morning was a much better excuse leaving her pants on for 7 years, than that she was saving herself for Mark.
Although, the older you get, the further in either direction you become willing to date that by 45, one day you could be dating sperm, and the following evening you're taking a corpse out on the town, which enters a repulsive series of combinations as to how our regular group sex options might descend into the wierd.
Using that creepiness scale, C/7 is definitely creepy.
Using that creepiness scale, C/7 is definitely creepy.
Oh, here we go again...
Seven is just shy of 30 & Chakotay around 50.
When I was 30 I dated a guy who was 50.
Who knew we were "creepy"?
^ We're guessing that at 30 you didn't have the emotional maturity of an adolescent due to spending the majority of your life as a borg drone. 
Just out of curiousity since you brought it up - does "dated a guy" mean one or two dates or a long-term dealie? Were the generational differences a factor in breaking up? Feel free not to answer but "dated a guy" can mean so many different things.
Just out of curiousity since you brought it up - does "dated a guy" mean one or two dates or a long-term dealie? Were the generational differences a factor in breaking up? Feel free not to answer but "dated a guy" can mean so many different things.
^ We're guessing that at 30 you didn't have the emotional maturity of an adolescent due to spending the majority of your life as a borg drone.
According to the Star Trek site, Seven was born in 2350, which means she was 27 when "Endgame" aired. Chakotay is listed as being born in 2329, which makes him 48. He would have been 21 years older than Seven and certainly within the "creepiness" factor that apenpaap quoted (Seven would have to be 31 to avoid that). That's BEFORE you take into account the "maturity" issues she faces as a former Borg drone.
Of course, you have to accept the credibility of the "Creepiness equation" here, which is a matter of personal taste.
Well, my dad was 18 years older than my mother, and they were married nearly 35 years (until his death), so 21 years doesn't sound "creepy" to me. And Mom was only 19 when they married - though I'm pretty sure she was a very emotionally mature 19. It's not an easy thing, that's for dang sure, and I know my mother would agree. Marrying a man who's a generation older than you causes some...interesting issues, Mom says. But clearly they worked it out OK.
I don't care for the Seven/Chakotay thing, but not because of "creepiness."
I don't care for the Seven/Chakotay thing, but not because of "creepiness."
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^ We're guessing that at 30 you didn't have the emotional maturity of an adolescent due to spending the majority of your life as a borg drone.
Just out of curiousity since you brought it up - does "dated a guy" mean one or two dates or a long-term dealie? Were the generational differences a factor in breaking up? Feel free not to answer but "dated a guy" can mean so many different things.
Is two years a long-term "dealie"?
No, the generational differences were not an issue.
You may not want to get involved with people outside your generation, but that doesn't make it wrong--as long as the individuals involved are adults.
Which both Chakotay and Seven were.
^ We're guessing that at 30 you didn't have the emotional maturity of an adolescent due to spending the majority of your life as a borg drone.
According to the Star Trek site, Seven was born in 2350, which means she was 27 when "Endgame" aired.
According to "The Gift," Seven was born on stardate 25479 which makes her 29 when Endgame aired.
Good example, another is Katherine Zeta Jones & Michael Douglas. They have a 25 year difference between them, not to mention is was common for older men to date/marry younger women back in your parents time and before.
Besides, it's the common saying that woman mature faster then men?
So a younger woman would be mentally equal to her older male counterpart.
My condolences on your father's passing, JustKate.
Yes, but bringing this back to the thread topic, Seven isn't your typical 27 or 29 year old. She was a Borg drone most of her life, and apparently, with an emotional dampener, if you take the show at face value and don't contrive anything like it having been part of Icheb's cortical node and not her original one. So her emotional maturity was far, far below that of a normal woman of her age.
That's why it's creepy. Not because of her physical age.
eta I'm 28 married to a 44 year old ... so I guess I'm creepy, too. But then again, I wasn't raised by the Borg.
That's why it's creepy. Not because of her physical age.
eta I'm 28 married to a 44 year old ... so I guess I'm creepy, too. But then again, I wasn't raised by the Borg.
Hey, I didn't come up with the creepiness quotient! I just did the math!
Don't blame me, I'm just contributing....
Of course, if you take the show at face value, Seven was involved in a six-year relationship with Axum.
Whether or not that's long-term enough to be considered an adult relationship is up to your own opinions on such things.
Maybe but we don't want the poor child to be like 60 by the time she can have her first date.
Janeway, all the way. And the majority agree. I always thought Chakotay/Seven was way out of left field. The only other woman I could see Chakotay with in the crew was B'Elanna, but I think Tom and B'Elanna is a much better match. Frankly, Seven and the Doctor were better matched. -- RR
