That's true. I hadn't considered that.
POLL: Chakotay - Seven or Janeway
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That's true. I hadn't considered that.
(Thanks, Exodus - it was quite a few years ago now, but I appreciate the sentiment anyway. We all still miss him a lot. Among other times, I think about him every time I see a gaudy pair of suspenders or a Godzilla movie - Dad loved those things.)
A woman f*cking a lightbulb?
Well, that's something I'm sure they haven't tried in a porn film yet.
It's ironic how certain things can envoke a memory, right?
Trust me, I can empathize.
Oops, sorry for the double post.
Who said it was wrong? Calling something creepy doesn't make it wrong - just unappealing. That isn't to say some couples don't make it work even if for just a while but again there has to be some common ground or a close age in emotional maturity - neither which are apparent with C/7, imo. That's what makes it so unappealing.
An unappealing relationship is not a big deal in real life when you don't have to participate in it - to each their own after all. However on a TV show where we participate in all the relationships an unappealing relationship can be a dealbreaker. In fact, if C/7 had happened mid-way thru voyager's run it would have been enough to make me stop watching.
A lot of that was sheer economics though. An older man would be better able to afford a wife and family than a younger one starting out. Also, there was social pressure for young women to marry before becoming "old maids" at 24 or so. The whole concept was based on social inequity.
The above is meant as a a generalization and is not meant to be applied to any specific individuals.
True but it does seem to be a trend that's coming back in style lately. I'm wondering if it's still an economical thing or an experance thing.
A woman f*cking a lightbulb?
Well, that's something I'm sure they haven't tried in a porn film yet.
It is Star Trek, after all, where anything is possible! Besides, they "had" a "kid" together, right? The super-drone called "One." -- RR
Unappealing *to you*.
What is unappealing *to you* is not necessarily unappealing to *other people*.
And frankly, I think Seven had proven herself emotionally mature enough to handle a relationship. She'd certainly dealt with such things as guilt and remorse and a whole host of other issues that most young adults who are involved in relationships never have had to deal with.
Sure, she was uncertain of dating protocols, but that can be true of other perfectly responsible and mature adults. I've used my friend whose first marriage was arranged and was in her late 30s before she had her first date as an example before.
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A woman f*cking a lightbulb?
Well, that's something I'm sure they haven't tried in a porn film yet.
It is Star Trek, after all, where anything is possible! Besides, they "had" a "kid" together, right? The super-drone called "One." -- RR
Actually, that would have been Seven and Mulcahey.
The Doc's mobile emitter didn't provide any genetic material nor programming.
A woman f*cking a lightbulb?
Well, that's something I'm sure they haven't tried in a porn film yet.
It is Star Trek, after all, where anything is possible! Besides, they "had" a "kid" together, right? The super-drone called "One." -- RR
Actually, that would have been Seven and Mulcahey.
The Doc's mobile emitter didn't provide any genetic material nor programming.
K, it's been awhile since I've seen the whole ep. I stand corrected! -- RR
In the real world and as an older/mature member of the board, nobody should be in your personal business enough to judge it creepy, unappealing or anything else. What two consenting adults do is their business and theirs alone.
Just my 2 cents.
In the real world and as an older/mature member of the board, nobody should be in your personal business enough to judge it creepy, unappealing or anything else. What two consenting adults do is their business and theirs alone.
Just my 2 cents.
Eh, people will always be judgemental. Hell, I've been told right here on this board that writing C/7 fanfiction proves that I wouldn't know a true adult relationship if it bit me in the ass.
Which is ironic considering the biggest joke about Trek fans is that we're all 50 year old virgins.In the real world and as an older/mature member of the board, nobody should be in your personal business enough to judge it creepy, unappealing or anything else. What two consenting adults do is their business and theirs alone.
Just my 2 cents.
Eh, people will always be judgemental. Hell, I've been told right here on this board that writing C/7 fanfiction proves that I wouldn't know a true adult relationship if it bit me in the ass.
The "six-year" relationship with Axum in Unimatrix Zero doesn't really count toward Seven's maturity level for several reasons.
First, none of the drones could remember in real life what happened in UZ until after Voyager came along. IIRC, there was no restoration of previous memories, at all, and Seven only gradually came to appreciate the depth of her connection to Axum just as the UZ connection was dissolving and they kissed.
Second, UZ was a sort of "Utiopia" where they were together only intermittantly and then for short periods of time. I'm not convinced that Seven learned all that much about the give-and-take of a real romance while there.
Now, this doesn't mean that the love she felt for Axum was bogus--she admitted to Janeway at the end of UZ that it wasn't--I just don't believe we can put much reliance on her six year relationship in UZ to justify more maturity than we saw on the show itself.
If she had learned and retained much from being in UZ, she would have been a very different drone from the first. If those memories had been restored to her in UZ, she would have been vastly different after the episode ended and in the later seasons.
At least, that's my take on her UZ years--and I'm sure not everyone will agree with me.
First, none of the drones could remember in real life what happened in UZ until after Voyager came along. IIRC, there was no restoration of previous memories, at all, and Seven only gradually came to appreciate the depth of her connection to Axum just as the UZ connection was dissolving and they kissed.
Second, UZ was a sort of "Utiopia" where they were together only intermittantly and then for short periods of time. I'm not convinced that Seven learned all that much about the give-and-take of a real romance while there.
Now, this doesn't mean that the love she felt for Axum was bogus--she admitted to Janeway at the end of UZ that it wasn't--I just don't believe we can put much reliance on her six year relationship in UZ to justify more maturity than we saw on the show itself.
If she had learned and retained much from being in UZ, she would have been a very different drone from the first. If those memories had been restored to her in UZ, she would have been vastly different after the episode ended and in the later seasons.
At least, that's my take on her UZ years--and I'm sure not everyone will agree with me.
When Season 7 came along, she seemed to have suddenly become an expert on humanity, that may be the explanation.
Remember, though, that in Season Seven, she sent her protege Borg kids away without so much as a ripple of emotion. That was the second episode of the season, right after UZ 2. When Icheb said she was crying, she pointed out that it was a malfunction of her ocular implant--which it was.
I don't especially since all of Seven's memories were repressed while a drone. However as we saw in "Raven" & "Dark Frontier" once those memories returned, so did the experance that came with them. One of the results was seen in "Child's Play" were she associated the irresponsability of Icheb's parents with those of her own. Due to her remembering that, she was better equipped to be Icheb's protector.The "six-year" relationship with Axum in Unimatrix Zero doesn't really count toward Seven's maturity level for several reasons.
First, none of the drones could remember in real life what happened in UZ until after Voyager came along. IIRC, there was no restoration of previous memories, at all, and Seven only gradually came to appreciate the depth of her connection to Axum just as the UZ connection was dissolving and they kissed.
Second, UZ was a sort of "Utiopia" where they were together only intermittantly and then for short periods of time. I'm not convinced that Seven learned all that much about the give-and-take of a real romance while there.
Now, this doesn't mean that the love she felt for Axum was bogus--she admitted to Janeway at the end of UZ that it wasn't--I just don't believe we can put much reliance on her six year relationship in UZ to justify more maturity than we saw on the show itself.
If she had learned and retained much from being in UZ, she would have been a very different drone from the first. If those memories had been restored to her in UZ, she would have been vastly different after the episode ended and in the later seasons.
At least, that's my take on her UZ years--and I'm sure not everyone will agree with me.
Was it?
She cried at the end of that episode also--after she had a new implant.
Was that also fake?
She returned Mazoti's hug good-bye.
At the end of the ep. she was crying for real.
Too go back before that, she took part in the eulogy for the astronaut in "One Small Step" and her voice cracked when she did.
