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Plot Revealed..MAJOR SPOILERS

ITL said:

They should make The Canon Cannon canon. And then blow it up. With a cannon.

:D

Yeah but if you were to stick the business end of the aforesaid cannon in the Canon Cannon's own aperature, would that then be a Cannon Violation ... :wtf: :eek: :D
 
Stag said:
ITL said:

They should make The Canon Cannon canon. And then blow it up. With a cannon.

:D

Yeah but if you were to stick the business end of the aforesaid cannon in the Canon Cannon's own aperature, would that then be a Cannon Violation ... :wtf: :eek: :D
:guffaw: :guffaw:
Yes. Yes it would.
 
ssosmcin said:
After a couple of disappointing films, out comes the "time travel" plot that seems to being in the great unwashed. No not US (this time), but the non-fans. And, like TVH and FC, there will be plot holes aplenty, because any time travel plot like this can be too easily shot down. There are too many variables.

"Why waste time on killing Kirk's father? Why not stop the formation of the Federation? Or kill Shinzon? He did more to fuck up the Romulans than anyone."

"Kirk was crucial to the formation of the federation? I was pretty sure it existed before he showed up. Killing Kirk will just put another captain in his place."

"Romulans? Thorn? Cripes, Kirk ran into them, like, three times. Seems to me that the Klingons would have a bigger problem with him. Or the Feeders of Vaal."

So, how is this gonna play out? Kirk going blithely about his business, while Romulans skulk about trying to do him in? Yet, every time they try, Spock secretly stops each attempt.

"There's Kirk. When he opens the door, the can of paint will swing down and hit him in the nuts."

Door opens, Spock shouts from around the corner "Hey Kirk, you dad was a pussy!" Kirk runs to beat up the source of the insult and the paint can misses Kirk and heads right at the Romulans...

"Ah shit!"
"D'OH!"

Apparently according to the AICN scoop the Romulans are accidently thrown back to a particular point in time, and when they realise when and where they are it becomes apparent to them that the best thing they can do is kill Kirk. Perhaps the Guardian has been disabled by the Federation and the Rommies reactivate it? Perhaps they have no choice but to go through at a certain moment because if they wait any longer they would be captured before they can go through the guardian?

Shit, there's so many details we don't know that even with this tidbit we can't jump to conclusions.
 
Sharr Khan said:
This should reinforce by the way that this film will be within existing continuity from start to end.

I suppose there's some sense in which that's true.

It seems quite likely that the point of doing the time travel thing is to "explain" that any of the likely-to-be-many differences in both visual and narrative continuity between TOS and nuTrek can be laid to changes inevitably introduced into the timeline by both the Romulan incursion and Spock's efforts to correct it.
 
Another thing - The Feds aren't going to leave this planet for anyone to find, Nero isn't going to get in there without one hell of a fight first, perhaps its this fight that causes them to get thrown back to this particular point.

Maybe old Spock is also on the planet trying to stop them but can't get there in time and he is left alone trying to figure out wtf happened, then he goes through afterwards.
 
just a question:

Is the Guardian of Forever in anyway connected to the Gateway that was in one of the early episodes of TNG?

I don't remember too much from that TNG episode
 
Ethros said:
Time travel... very original


Since its all about how you execute it, yes. "Originality" is at best nebulous and hard to see until you see it. A guy could come up with a way out, totally "new" idea and it will fail both creatively and critically - but then that same guy could offer insights to something done in ways never imagined before.

The devil is, as they say in the details. Could be the most compelling thing we've ever seen.

Sharr
 
Flake said:
Another thing - The Feds aren't going to leave this planet for anyone to find, Nero isn't going to get in there without one hell of a fight first, perhaps its this fight that causes them to get thrown back to this particular point.

Whether or not the Feds have anything to say about that is probably up to the Guardian.
 
Number6 said:
This sounds a lot like the plot from a New Voyages ep.

I hope this is just a rumour.

Which only tells me - despite what "fans" claim, they actually do enjoy "time travel"... I mean to invest hours and money into a fan production which hinged on time travel as a major element... tells me alot.

Please I don't want to hear: "They stole this from New Voyages" more then a couple times I've had a passing idea and suddenly found it was being done on screen already. That is unless of course you can *prove* the writers were sitting around watching fan films/reading fan fic. This is why that kind of stuff gets dicey. Even in that case I think said things technically belong to the copyright holder?

Actually I recall mentioning the Guardian way back when AICN first brought up "time travel". See more then one person can reach the same conclusion apart from each other.

Sharr
 
Reminds me a bit of the novel ST:TNG: Imzadi. That starts out 30-40 years post TNG with Admiral Riker telling Captain Weslkey Crusher about how Deanna died. Riker goes back through the Guardian of Forever to save her. There's quite a bit more; I haven't given up too much.
Then there's the novel ST:TNG: The Devil's Heart in which Picard uses his archeology skills to find an ancient stone (The Devil's Heart) which ultimately turns out to be a seed for another Guardian of Forever.
It's very early to get a true rumor that's so detailed. It sounds interesting but I'm skeptical. I'm still here, though, and will be right up until next Christmas. Probably a whole lot longer...
 
So they took a few episodes, a movie, and novel plots threw them all into a pot and sprinkled in some time-travel and its subsequent reset button?

What's changed?

New management, same old B.S. :rolleyes:

God, I hope this is a fake.
 
Ellison offers his two cents:

THAT STAR TREK BUSINESS

MARK GOLDBERG or ANYONE ELSE:

Would someone go to that site, and suggest to those people there, that "City" and all its elements EXCEPT specific Star Trek characters, belong to Harlan Ellison--author of that much-lauded episode--by terms of the Separation of Rights clause of the Writers Guild's Minimum Basic Agreement (MBA), and if Mr. Abrams--with whom I'm currently on strike--or anyone else, at Paramount or elsewhere, thinks they're going to use MY creations--whether the City, the Guardians, Sister Edith Keeler, or any other elements CREATED BY HARLAN ELLISON...they had damned well better lose the unilateral arrogance, get in touch with me, or my agent, Marty Shapiro, and be prepared to pay for the privilege of mining the lode I own.

Thank you, and thank Peter David, who just called to alert me, as have you, Mark, to yet another gimmegimme grab by Paramount and the Star trek francchise that makes billions, but withholds recognition or recompense to the artists who labored in that vein.

Yr. Pal, Harlan
 
^ With this now added into the mix, I've got to believe this whole Gardian of Forever plot leak is a crock of shit. Free publicity and buzz is all this is about, not ST:XI.
 
CorporalClegg said:
So they took a few episodes, a movie, and novel plots threw them all into a pot and sprinkled in some time-travel and its subsequent reset button?

What's changed?

New management, same old B.S. :rolleyes:

God, I hope this is a fake.

Its called execution, hard to judge until you see how it plays out. And only a Trekkie would even be aware of any of those things. To an outsider its all new.

Sharr
 
Patrickivan said:
No more time travel stories!

Its unfair to impose such a prohibition on any new production team. Just cause the previous lot over did it it doesn't follow that the current take will equal the same results...

Sharr
 
Outpost4 said:
^ With this now added into the mix, I've got to believe this whole Gardian of Forever plot leak is a crock of shit. Free publicity and buzz is all this is about, not ST:XI.

I'm starting to think that myself.

I'm sure they are throwing out a load of fake plot spoilers to confuse the shit out of us. J.J. probably logs onto his computer every night and laughs his ass off.
 
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