Please God, No! (Transformers 2 Rumor) (SPOILER!)

[Timby]

I'd be happy if the movie didn't focus on the star of Spielberg's pedo fantasies. Err, I mean, Shia LeBeouf or however you spell that gay ass name. (And I do mean that in the actual use of the term 'gay' as names don't get more flamingly homosexual than that.)

"Shia" is Hebrew for "gift from God."

 

[John Picard]

the Deluxe Autobots: Whirl (A helicopter), and a jeep, whose name escapes me.

Roadbuster.

Roadbuster and Whirl made a number of appearances in the Marvel UK comics even though they were never released in the UK as toys...

Yep, Roadbuster! Thanks. He was a hella cool toy.

 

[Samurai8472]

Heres megatron's tank form

Megatron Pictures From TFW2005

Old concept and new concept

Cover with Arcee

 

[Unicron]

I want Topspin and Twintwist in this movie, damnit!

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

^^ Along the lines of obscure, how about The Omnibots? Camshaft, Downshift, and Overdrive. Those were special order Autobots back during G1. Then, there were the gestalts that made up Reflector as well as the Deluxe Autobots: Whirl (A helicopter), and a jeep, whose name escapes me. Of all of my collection that I sold off when E-Bay first started, I wish I had kept the Deluxe Autobots as well as Jetfire (Skyfire).

Sorry John, but I don't want to get nitpicky but Reflector wasn't really a gestalt in a way. I guess you are right but usually I don't see them grouped with the other gestalts like Bruticus, Seaking, Abominious...

Hey! What about Sea - Spray? That guy wanted me to rip my hair out! Or War-Path!

For obscure how about Paddles? (Probably no one but the most geekiest of us know who Paddles is, though technically he's not really canon).

Or Fastback and Bumper?

 

[FordSVT]

Reflector was a gestalt by definition, he just wasn't a giant.

 

[captcalhoun]

could someone please put some line breaks or something in those images cuz it's distorting the page...

Paddles has his own entry on Teletraan 1, the transformers wiki, that's how I know him...

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Reflector was a gestalt by definition, he just wasn't a giant.

True but he's not a true Transformer gestalt IMO.

 

[PlainSimpleJoel]

Hey! What about Sea - Spray? That guy wanted me to rip my hair out! Or War-Path!

There is a thread about Seaspray on TFW2005 about being in the new movie. Someone heard it from a friend of a friend that filming was happening at a naval base. I think your hair is safe for the moment.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

Hey! What about Sea - Spray? That guy wanted me to rip my hair out! Or War-Path!

There is a thread about Seaspray on TFW2005 about being in the new movie. Someone heard it from a friend of a friend that filming was happening at a naval base. I think your hair is safe for the moment.

Well, I'll be all right if they also don't have the gurgling voice for Sea Spray...

 

[Aragorn]

On a side note, for people familiar with more recent incarnations of Transformers, are Go-Bots part of Transformers lore now? I think they're called Mini-Cons (I don't know what those are), but in one of the cartoons the Mini-Con was named Leader One.

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

On a side note, for people familiar with more recent incarnations of Transformers, are Go-Bots part of Transformers lore now? I think they're called Mini-Cons (I don't know what those are), but in one of the cartoons the Mini-Con was named Leader One.

I don't think so. Hell Dreamwave made fun of the Go - Bots by killing them painfully and IDW did the same thing in Megatron Origin. I think it is a coicidence.

Okay this is weird, I don't think their universes meshed but apparently Hasbro bought out Tonka, which then gave them the rights to the names of the GoBots. So technically Hasbro could somehow mesh GoBots and Transformers together but I don't think they will.

 

[captcalhoun]

they did bring out 6 repaints of G1 mini vehicles who were named after Gobots and the backstory was that they'd crossed over from another universe.

Bugbite was a Bumblebee repaint and a 'con
Badboy was a Powerglide repaint and a 'con
Smallfoot was a Gears repaint and a 'bot
Road Ranger was a Huffer repaint and a 'bot
Pathfinder was a Cosmos repaint and a 'bot

 

[Bishbot]

On a side note, for people familiar with more recent incarnations of Transformers, are Go-Bots part of Transformers lore now? I think they're called Mini-Cons (I don't know what those are), but in one of the cartoons the Mini-Con was named Leader One.

I think names are pretty much the only use they have for the Go-Bots license now, as in the example of Leader-1. But there have been Transformers called Go-Bots before. In G2 there were a set of small cars that even included versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron:

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Go-Bot_(G2)

 

[FordSVT]

Reflector was a gestalt by definition, he just wasn't a giant.

True but he's not a true Transformer gestalt IMO.

If you mean he's not the size of a ten story building, I guess that's obvious.

 

[John Picard]

Reflector was a gestalt by definition, he just wasn't a giant.

True but he's not a true Transformer gestalt IMO.

Your opinion doesn't matter. Here is what Dictionary.com has to say:

1.a configuration, pattern, or organized field having specific properties that cannot be derived from the summation of its component parts; a unified whole. 2.an instance or example of such a unified whole.

And Also:

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This ge·stalt or Ge·stalt http://cache.lexico.com/d/g/speaker.swf (gə-shtält', -shtôlt', -stält', -stôlt') Pronunciation Key
n. pl. ge·stalts or Ge·stalts or ge·stalt·en or Ge·stalt·en (-shtält'n, -shtôlt'n, -stält'n, -stôlt'n)
A physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration or pattern of elements so unified as a whole that its properties cannot be derived from a simple summation of its parts.

 

[Bishbot]

The problem here is that "gestalt" is a term made up by fans for the Combined forms of the various Combiner teams. I can't recall it being used in any of the fiction prior, perhaps, to the IDW comics. So yeah, based on the dictionary, Reflector, is, of course, a gestalt, but not in the way almost every fan would use it.

(for my part, I've always enjoyed the term used in G2: "fusilateral quintrocombiners" )

 

[captcalhoun]

Treds was the one i forgot, a repaint of Warpath.

the group can be seen here:

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:G1-GoBots-card.jpg

 

[Thespeckledkiwi]

The problem here is that "gestalt" is a term made up by fans for the Combined forms of the various Combiner teams. I can't recall it being used in any of the fiction prior, perhaps, to the IDW comics. So yeah, based on the dictionary, Reflector, is, of course, a gestalt, but not in the way almost every fan would use it.

It's kind of a gray area. In the cartoon, fans are now considering Reflector as a gestalt. If Reflector is a gestalt, I would guess Sky Lynx would be one as well (he has I believe two separate forms).

The other big issue is, is when Reflector transforms into a camera, do they unify their minds or are they still separate. Because that is one of the characteristics of the other gestalts is that when they combine to make a huge robot, their personalities all link together to make a sort of hodgepodge one mind.

This is what Teletraan 1 has to say about it:

Fan-terminology for a certain class of combiners -- generally used only for "big robot" combiners with emergent personalities. The term is nebulously defined, such that some fans would consider a two-member combiner such as Squawkbox a gestalt, but other fans would not. This is probably the fandom's second most frequently-used term for combining Transformers. Its use in Transfandom is derived from the principle of gestalt psychology, which is sometimes simplified to mean "greater/different than the sum of its parts," though a few fans consider this term pretentious and obtuse. The term remained firmly in realm of fanon for years, although it did appear in some Energon design sketches implying that Hasbro designers used the term occasionally, until in 2007 "gestalt" made its first official appearance, in the bio of the Titanium Series Menasor toy.

Combiner

So in a way, John_Picard is right but some fans would not consider Reflector a gestalt but a combiner.

It's kind of ambiguous because they don't consider Sky Lynx a true gestalt even though in John_Picard's dictionary definition, it would be consider one since they are two separate entities combining to make one. And some don't consider Squawkbox or Slamdance a gestalt either.