Pike's "woman on the bridge" line
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Maybe he runs a quite lucrative slave trade and the wheel chair with the blinky light is just his cover story. When everyone leaves he gets out of the chair, rips off the rubber mask, and gets to work.
No, it wasn't. Mad Men was a show that looked back on a earlier era and critiqued it through today's prism. "The Cage" was a show of its time, with all of the good and bad that implies.
It's a good thing that certain moments in TOS like that date badly now. It means that we're making progress as a society. But I think it's silly to condemn Roddenberry & company just because they didn't predict 2019 (or 23rd century) attitudes with 100% accuracy. That's a impossible standard to hold anyone to.
If the rest of the episode is good, I do just that. Sometimes, though, some things are just too terrible to ignore, like TNG's Code of Honour or that James Bond movie where he rapes the straight into a queer woman. In the case of The Cage, I'm perfectly willing to cut that one dumb line some slack. In the end, it depends on the overall quality of the product and precisely how bad the ignorant bullshit was.
What's wrong with Code of Honor?
Not falling for it.
Pike on Discovery on rare occasion has said jerkish things for no reason at all. He made a "I can believe that about you" line to Tyler about Tyler murdering someone even knowing full well the only time Tyler did this, he was under Voq mind control.
I think Pike just says jerkish and awful things really rarely, but when he does he does. This line about women would fall into that. There might be no reason for it, other than stress.
I think Pike just says jerkish and awful things really rarely, but when he does he does. This line about women would fall into that. There might be no reason for it, other than stress.
No seriously, I don't get why people don't like this episode. This is the episode where the women hold all the property and the guy looses it all becasue his wife chooses a different husband. Do people not like the florescent light fight scene or something?Not falling for it.
I seriously can't tell if this is sarcasm. Just in case anyone should imply I would ever say something this ridiculously awful: no, it's obviously not that.
Hopefully, everyone here does know why that episode is a racist piece of garbage.
Noping out now. Have fun, kids!
I didn't watch it thinking it was racist back in the eighties. I suppose I was too used to allegorical aliens. I do recall thinking that their political system was bonkers but then Black Panther has a similar trial by combat succession.
I do recall being pleased that Tasha was given something to do.
I was talking to a film producer making some production deals to do films in Africa and he says a lot of people there are really sick of the whole "tribal" thing, and that includes Black Panther. I was told to explicitly avoid that angle for a pitch I was asked to develop. I'm sure "Code of Honor" would go over like a neutronium balloon there. 
Because it comes across as a buffoonish, patronizing Victorian-era colonialist stereotype of non-Western cultures.
Kor
The "thing" on display was middle-eastern, not sub-sahara African tribal. In terms of set designs and clothing.
The culture of the planet was no worst than many shown on Trek. Was it worse than the Vulcans, or the Ferengi?
The culture being matriarchal was interesting, and atypical.
It would go a long way towards understanding your position if you (or someone) would in fact explain.
Other than say "just cuz I say so."
I'll assume this is a snarky comment and walk away laughing at how bad the episode was.
Because it was SO bad. So very bad.
I'll let Daniel Bernardi, who has put more thought into this subject than just about anyone, summarize the general argument:
I usually just chalk up things like Pike's line to what TV Tropes calls the Literary Agent Hypothesis.
Same as how Kirk's Enterprise used printouts and DS9 liked to show Sisko with a stack of PADDs as if a any given digital device could only display a single document. (I was perfectly happy to treat the appearance of Klingons the same way; the whole Augment thing in ENT seemed completely unnecessary to me.)
Same as how Kirk's Enterprise used printouts and DS9 liked to show Sisko with a stack of PADDs as if a any given digital device could only display a single document. (I was perfectly happy to treat the appearance of Klingons the same way; the whole Augment thing in ENT seemed completely unnecessary to me.)
THAT. EXACTLY.
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