Pike "in" with Old Spock?

[jamestyler]

What exactly do we officially know about the black shirt? All we know about the black shirt is from the Entertainment Weekly Magazine article that said “Kirk spends much of Star Trek dressed in respectable black, space-cadet colors in Abrams’ Trekverse" and from Orci who said the shirt is black "for a reason".

There is not enough information to convince me that Kirk is a simple underclassman cadet when he takes over command of the Enterprise. I think he may have been in the Academy for some reason and the black may signify that, but I think perhaps he is an officer at the time.

I can't remember if it was hat article, or another - I just remember somewhere that black was cadet colours.

Though I'm not thinking he's on the same level Wesley Crusher or Nog was, officer in training, but more what Saavik was in Khan. A graduate in command training. It gives the story enough logic for Kirk taking over - though from the trailer details it seems as if Kirks came back from the ice planet after a Spock pep talk. I'd thought before that, and there might still be - I'll find out in May - that Pike gave the nod to Kirk which made him take command.

 

[Cky]

Of course, there is the long shot possibility that people will stop trying to force feed guesses and wait for 2 months.

 

[pookha]

I think what we've seen in the trailer is all there is to it. Pike knew George Kirk as a hero, stumbled upon his son and thought he could do the same.

We know there was no time on the Farragut and that Kirk is still in training from interviews (mentioning Kirk not being assigned to a ship and the whole black shirt thing) and it might be safe to assume the delay on building the Enterprise was down to the stuff we saw at SF in the second trailer, maybe they needed to rebuild resources such as spacedock, SF fleet yards (could be why they're in Iwoa)...

...though I'm happy that we can see what Kirk's influence is when he takes over the chair, thanks to little details in that moment.

can you quote the interviews that say kirk is still in training.

and from the stuff we have seen red is academy.


they have said the black shirt will be explained in the movie.
though to me it just looks like the black undershirt of the tos film.

i still think that when kirk is on enterprise this is a flash forward of several years.

as for pike.. i think he reaches out to kirk because of admiration for his father at first.

though i wonder if at a later point if the elderly spock dosnt try and contact him about kirk though.

but i wouldnt be suprised if farragutt dosnt happen that kirk after graduating from the academy still goes through some traumatic experience out in space.
one that some consider his efforts be great but that he still needs to recover.

so he becomes an instructor at the academy but isnt cleared yet for active space duty when the thing with nero and enterprise happens.

it could even be that pike or others want to protect kirk and dont let him come along at first.

but i think in the end the point of the movie is that despite nero's efforts history is working to still make kirk into the person he was.

 

[Plumster]

Well, the simplest and more possible answer to that is that Kirk's Farragut service is one of the things Nero's actions and time travel change.

Salvor --
you may be right, or perhaps Kirk DOES spend time on the Farragut but this film does not cover that. I suppose it's possible that we see Kirk graduate the academy, then the film "fast forward" several years to a time after the Farragut.

It certainly is possible.
At this time we don't have enough info to eliminate either option

FFS - it's possible he walks around with his hand up his arse, scratching his nuts while whistling Hotel California, but why don't we wait for the film to come out and discuss whatever ACTUALLY has happened? Pike is a plot device and seeing as his last big Trek moment was as a cabbage in a wheelchair who operated a couple of lights, none of you knows anything. I just hope the new Pike tops the old Pike's last performance.

You are doing my head in with all your bullshit about things you know nothing of.

Seriously though Salvor, you do like the sound of your own voice on this matter it seems. Just accept that this is a pivitol moment in the history of Trek and sit back in the glorious effluence that is the build up to this movie?

 

[SalvorHardin]

Salvor --
you may be right, or perhaps Kirk DOES spend time on the Farragut but this film does not cover that. I suppose it's possible that we see Kirk graduate the academy, then the film "fast forward" several years to a time after the Farragut.

It certainly is possible.
At this time we don't have enough info to eliminate either option

FFS - it's possible he walks around with his hand up his arse, scratching his nuts while whistling Hotel California, but why don't we wait for the film to come out and discuss whatever ACTUALLY has happened? Pike is a plot device and seeing as his last big Trek moment was as a cabbage in a wheelchair who operated a couple of lights, none of you knows anything. I just hope the new Pike tops the old Pike's last performance.

You are doing my head in with all your bullshit about things you know nothing of.

Seriously though Salvor, you do like the sound of your own voice on this matter it seems. Just accept that this is a pivitol moment in the history of Trek and sit back in the glorious effluence that is the build up to this movie?

 

[Plumster]

It certainly is possible.
At this time we don't have enough info to eliminate either option

FFS - it's possible he walks around with his hand up his arse, scratching his nuts while whistling Hotel California, but why don't we wait for the film to come out and discuss whatever ACTUALLY has happened? Pike is a plot device and seeing as his last big Trek moment was as a cabbage in a wheelchair who operated a couple of lights, none of you knows anything. I just hope the new Pike tops the old Pike's last performance.

You are doing my head in with all your bullshit about things you know nothing of.

Seriously though Salvor, you do like the sound of your own voice on this matter it seems. Just accept that this is a pivitol moment in the history of Trek and sit back in the glorious effluence that is the build up to this movie?

If you do it with your left hand - it feels like someone else is doing it.

You need to know that.

 

[Chaos Descending]

FFS - it's possible he walks around with his hand up his arse, scratching his nuts while whistling Hotel California, but why don't we wait for the film to come out and discuss whatever ACTUALLY has happened? Pike is a plot device and seeing as his last big Trek moment was as a cabbage in a wheelchair who operated a couple of lights, none of you knows anything. I just hope the new Pike tops the old Pike's last performance.

You are doing my head in with all your bullshit about things you know nothing of.

Seriously though Salvor, you do like the sound of your own voice on this matter it seems. Just accept that this is a pivitol moment in the history of Trek and sit back in the glorious effluence that is the build up to this movie?

If you do it with your left hand - it feels like someone else is doing it.

You need to know that.

It's even better if you paint your fingernails.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Or Spock is not Pike's First Officer.

In The Cage, Number One was...err Number One. Spock is simply the science officer.

I don't know how anyone who's seen the trailers can have any illusions that the makers of this movie feel obligated to adhere to any details of Trek history. We know this is an alternate reality so all bets are off. We can assume that by the end of the picture the familiar crew will be together on a ship called Enterprise, but how things got to that point is going to be different than what we 'know'.

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Well, at WonderCon last week Abrams said:
"The story adheres to canon pretty much as well as the original series adhered to canon."

and at WonderCon Roberto Orci said:
"...it's both a prequel and a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to happen"

and a few months ago, Orci said:
"Some of the things that seem that they are totally different, I will argue, once the film comes out, fall well within what could have been the non-time travel version of this move."

So, no -- I'm not convinced that the alternate timeline storyline is going to lead to this being so different that "all bets will be off" when it comes to adhering to canon....

...and I haven't seen anything in the trailers that is necessarily so obviously inconsistent with canon,e specially considering the trailer scenes have no context to them whatsoever, nor do we know the resolution to the rumored storyline
...(except

Spoiler: Vulcan

if that really is Vulcan imploding, then that would be inconsistent

 

[SalvorHardin]

If you do it with your left hand - it feels like someone else is doing it.

You need to know that.

It's even better if you paint your fingernails.

I always wondered...
If you use both hands at the same time, does it count as a threesome ?

 

[Plumster]

If you do it with your left hand - it feels like someone else is doing it.

You need to know that.

It's even better if you paint your fingernails.

I always wondered...
If you use both hands at the same time, does it count as a threesome ?

Hahahahaha - let us know when you've tried it.

Length and girth may be an issue for you though if what's been written about you in TNZ is true.

 

[SalvorHardin]

It's even better if you paint your fingernails.

I always wondered...
If you use both hands at the same time, does it count as a threesome ?

Hahahahaha - let us know when you've tried it.

Length and girth may be an issue for you though if what's been written about you in TNZ is true.

Nah...You seem like an expert on masturbation so I thought you'd have the answer.

As for TNZ what might that be they are saying little troll ? I barely post there...Enlighten us

 

[M'Sharak]

It's even better if you paint your fingernails.

I always wondered...
If you use both hands at the same time, does it count as a threesome ?

Hahahahaha - let us know when you've tried it.

Length and girth may be an issue for you though if what's been written about you in TNZ is true.

Enough. What's written in TNZ stays in TNZ, and you're trolling, regardless.

Warned for same. Comments to "what the heck were you thinking?"