Picard series confirmed post-Romulus

[Damian]

Here's the problem--this was where the writers had the chance to put works in the characters' mouths and actively chose not to do so. The only language used was "alternate reality." But if I travel back in time and wipe out the prime universe, of course the new timeline is an alternate reality. That line means nothing for proving the prime universe still exists.

As for the writers' intent. If Ron Moore and Brannon Braga did a joint press conference with Rick Berman and William Shatner, and they said, "we declare that Kirk did not die in Generations and Picard was just building a rock pile because he was bored," that would not change a thing.

I think your example is flawed because we DID see Kirk die in Generations. There is direct visual evidence to the contrary. In the case of Star Trek (2009), the writer of the movie said this is an alternate reality and there is NO evidence in the movie to suggest what he is saying is not true, it fits what we saw on screen.

But if you want to believe the prime universe was wiped out, that all of the original series, TNG, DS9 and Voyager never happened, have at it. In your case all that is left is Enterprise. Enjoy

 

[Tuskin38]

And we've had evidence of Parallel Realities since Mirror, Mirror.

 

[Damian]

Technobabble!

Ha-ha, true, but a lot of fans complain about technobabble.

2387 according to CBS.

Didn't Spock say how many years in the future he was from in the movie too.

 

[F. King Daniel]

But we don't know what year Spock Prime came from.

2387. It's the stardate Spock's ship was launched, and from Spock's lips during the mind meld sequence, "129 years from now..." in 2258.

The Picard Show is set 2399.

 

[Tuskin38]

2387. It's the stardate Spock's ship was launched, and from Spock's lips during the mind meld sequence, "129 years from now..." in 2258.

Didn't Spock say how many years in the future he was from in the movie too.

Ah I completely forgot about that.

 

[Kirk Prime]

Fair point. Very good. So if they do a storyline on that, it's now over a decade later. It could even be EASIER to resolve the prime universe issue. Picard could be talking about a message Spock Prime was able to send to the prime universe about Nero's fate in whatever context a Romulus destruction aftermath is used.

It's actually not a bad topic for the first season, if not the pilot.

 

[SolarisOne]

But if you want to believe the prime universe was wiped out, that all of the original series, TNG, DS9 and Voyager never happened, have at it. In your case all that is left is Enterprise. Enjoy

The Prime Universe was erased? Egads!

 

[Tuskin38]

Fair point. Very good. So if they do a storyline on that, it's now over a decade later. It could even be EASIER to resolve the prime universe issue. Picard could be talking about a message Spock Prime was able to send to the prime universe about Nero's fate in whatever context a Romulus destruction aftermath is used.

It's actually not a bad topic for the first season, if not the pilot.

I doubt they'll go that far, the most I see us getting is a line drop about Spock going MIA 12 years ago. Presumably dead.

The Prime Universe was erased? Egads!

Ah, a fellow Dragon Ball Fan.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

2387 according to CBS.

Not just CBS. It's in the dialogue. First, the Jellyfish says its construction date is "stardate 2387". Second, Spock says the Hobus star explodes 129 years in the future. That means nuKirk meets Spock Prime in the year 2258. Nero et al. -- who emerge in 2233 -- have been waiting "25 years" for Spock Prime to come out of the white hole, which (presto) makes it 2258.

Edit: Ninja'd multiple times while I researched the script!

 

[Tuskin38]

Not just CBS. It's in the dialogue. First, the Jellyfish says it's construction date is "stardate 2387". Second, Spock says the Hobus star explodes 129 years in the future. That means nuKirk meets Spock Prime in the year 2258. Nero et al. have been waiting "25 years" for Spock Prime to come out of the white hole, which (presto) makes it 2258 when this happens, and Vulcan is subsequently destroyed.

Yes, two people said that already and I admitted my mistake.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Too much destruction porn already I think. They didn't need to destroy Romulus or Vulcan either.

If they try to show any more epic things happening, you have to wonder if the viewers are going to care or if its going to look overblown. With the Kelvin movie being shelved, it has already left the Vulcans hanging without much closure or resolution.

Before that, the Romulan government was overthrown and all the leaders killed, Cardassia was already reduced to ruins (800 million dead), earth has been directly attacked probably more than 3 times already, etc.

I never really had much reaction to destruction of Romulus it just seemed really arbitrary--too much destruction had already happened.

The interesting part though-- we might get see a dystopian style setting if all this is true. There'll be a lot of story opportunities.

 

[Nyotarules]

Which they would much moreso without the forehead ridges TNG added. They are the same species, after all.

Plus some Romulans must have smooth foreheads or else Spock would have stood out like a sore thumb

 

[WarpFactorZ]

With the Kelvin movie being shelved, it has already left the Vulcans hanging without much closure or resolution.

There was closure on the Vulcans. Spock Prime helped them set up New Vulcan for several years before his death. What else do you think is necessary to know?

 

[Nightdiamond]

I would have liked to see some more filler . Because of the stretch between the 3 movies and nothing much in between, the saga with Vulcan seemed empty. We never got to see or meet anymore Vulcans and see their plight or how they reacted to it. Just descriptions and mentioning.

So everything about it seemed rushed and then settled offscreen and without anymore follow ups it's like, 'Vulcan was destroyed by a giant drill-- well, we found a new planet for a colony oh well that's it".

 

[Nyotarules]

I would have liked to see some more filler . Because of the stretch between the 3 movies and nothing much in between, the saga with Vulcan seemed empty. We never got to see or meet anymore Vulcans and see their plight or how they reacted to it. Just descriptions and mentioning.

So everything about it seemed rushed and then settled offscreen and without anymore follow ups it's like, 'Vulcan was destroyed by a giant drill-- well, we found a new planet for a colony oh well that's it".

That's Star Trek tradition, what happened after the Genesis device, how are the whales getting on, how long does it take be a captain once your graduate nuKirk, what was Nero doing for 25 years?

 

[fireproof78]

Fair point. Very good. So if they do a storyline on that, it's now over a decade later. It could even be EASIER to resolve the prime universe issue. Picard could be talking about a message Spock Prime was able to send to the prime universe about Nero's fate in whatever context a Romulus destruction aftermath is used.

It's actually not a bad topic for the first season, if not the pilot.

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That's Star Trek tradition, what happened after the Genesis device, how are the whales getting on, how long does it take be a captain once your graduate nuKirk, what was Nero doing for 25 years?

Also this. But, who knows? Maybe Trek detail fans will get lucky and the Picard show will tie up all the loose ends from prior Treks!

 

[Owain Taggart]

Nero was fiddling his thumbs waiting for someone to screw up? Unfortunately happened to be someone named Spock who failed to save the Romulan Day... heh

Naw, apparently according to the Countdown comics, Nero was successful within the empire, with a wife and kids, and if I remember right was off on a mission away from Romulus when the supernova blew, and with his wife and kids on Romulus, he sought revenge. This is something that really should have been in the movie as it gives a good background on his motivation. You'd think they would have caught that decades in advance in order to prepare themselves, but whatever. Spock tried to save them from impending doom and failed.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nero's backstory with his pregnant wife was in the movie. We even see a hologram of her when he's interrogating Pike.

 

[fireproof78]

You'd think they would have caught that decades in advance in order to prepare themselves, but whatever. Spock tried to save them from impending doom and failed.

Spock called the destruction of Romulus "unthinkable" so apparently something was off in the calculations.

 

[Korusan]

On screen, the writers did not establish that Nero traveled to another universe AS WELL as through time. It would have been easy then. But because they did not say it, the only presumption has to be that they did not change universes, and the alternate realty created is the prime timeline overwritten--a result I think many fans would find undesirable--and one that in theory, the Picard show can fix in one line.

UHURA
"An alternate reality?"

SPOCK
"Precisely. Whatever our lives might have been, our destinies have changed."

The presumption of the old timeline being overwritten holds as much water as it not being overwritten.