Picard series confirmed post-Romulus

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by King Daniel Beyond, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. Gonzo

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    Apparently there should have been time to stop the Supernova but for some reason it exploded earlier than it should have, would be nice if we actually get to see Picard and the Enterprise E when they attempt to save Romulus but fail with Picard watching the fireworks as a flashback.

    Either the Scientists estimates were wrong or it was intentionally triggered early to make sure Spock fails and the Romulans go the way of the Dinosaurs, we may see Picard investigate that and try to find out how it happened and who is responsible, he would need a ship for that though and ideally still be in Starfleet.

    And/Or he is the Ambassador to a Reunified Vulkan with the remnant of the Romulan people having gone home but it sounds a bit boring.

    The Star going Nova before its time has got Temporal Cold War written all over it if you ask me.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    I was thinking more Q or possibly S31.
     
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  3. Greg Cox

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    Good point. And we should note that THE WRATH OF KHAN never actually explained what caused Ceti Alpha VI to go boom in the first place. It was just a plot device, like the supernova in the 2009 movie. Doesn't require any technobabble explanation.
     
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  4. The Overlord

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    I do not think Q has a reason to blow up Romulus and that wouldn't be in character for him. Section 31, maybe, but I would be careful using them, I know they are ruthless, but blowing up Romulus seemingly when peace is about to be achieved between the two powers just seems reckless.

    They can always copy Star Trek Online's explanation, that it was the Iconians and a power-mad Tal-Shiar agent who wanted to sell his people out to benefit himself and get in the Iconians good graces.

    Agreed, I think stuff like the supernova, Ceti Alpha VI exploding and various anomalies that appear throughout the franchise are plot devices that get the ball rolling. The problems they create is more important than how they work.
     
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  5. Owain Taggart

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    That is a good observation. Scientifically though, they really should have been able to detect it decades, nay centuries in advance as supernovas don't just wink into existence. It's a build-up over time. But it's all about plot convenience. It was the weakest part of the movie for me.
     
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    Well, the Q was a reference to the Q civil war that caused super nova in VOY, and Section 31 was a bit tongue in cheek.
     
  7. Nyotarules

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    I know the novelverse made the attempt.
    However Romulus is a major planet in the franchise Ceti Alpha VI is not.
     
  8. Gonzo

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    Q Continuum is more likely than S31 for me, while they can do many things I think triggering a Nova is beyond Section 31's ability and it wouldn't really achieve anything for them either, especially after the Romulans showed that they could play well with others in the Dominion war.
    Yeah it happened very abruptly which is why foul play rather than natural causes was suspected.

    Time manipulation could do it though and there are races that have been hinted at in the past that could be the culprits not to mention the Q could easily do it as well.

    I don't think there is really any doubt that its an intentional act directed at the Romulans at least for now, the real question is motive and who has the means to do it, we know there are races that can easily do it such as the Q but the number one question is why, it must serve a purpose but apart from genocide we just don't know what that could be, it clearly wasn't an accident as the collapse seemed to have been accelerated to make sure that Spock didn't stop it, which for me rules out the Q as they can just trigger it immediately without having to wait at all and I think S31 is out as well at least for now as they don't have the means or the motive.

    Could it be a direct consequence of the destruction of Vulcan, even though chronologically the destruction of Vulcan happened first in another reality, logically it was the destruction of Romulus that was the trigger for the destruction of Vulcan, hence why I think it could be to do with the Temporal Cold War as neither chronology nor logic really matter when you can manipulate time and space as was shown to us by the Wormhole Aliens in DS9.

    It may have something to do with the upcoming season 2 of Discovery and Spock (him again), possibly tying into the Red Matter that we saw his character use in Star Trek (2009).

    It may end up showing that the events in Discovery S2, Star Trek 2009 and Picard/Destiny are all linked, the Red Light we saw in the Discovery S2 trailers remind me very much of the glow of Red Matter as well.

    I was ok with the way the Supernova was handled in Star Trek and perhaps they were going to deal with it or possibly undo it in the fourth film extreme as that may seem, it looked like Kirk Jr was going to end up going back in time to meet Kirk Sr and I would expect them to at least try to stop it if so, maybe even undoing it completely which may or may not remove the Kelvin reality and themselves in the process so that neither planet is destroyed.

    Whether that would completely erase the Kelvin reality is another matter, it cant truly be undone until the actual original cause is known to undo it properly, anything else would be a right mess as the symptoms (Supernova) would be dealt with and stopped but the disease would still be out there (Trigger).

    Its not the first time its been done in Star Trek never mind scifi as a whole.
     
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  9. Tuskin38

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    Praxis also seemed to have exploded at super luminal speeds.
     
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  10. Gonzo

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    Yeah it was sudden although we were given a specific reason for it which does make a sort of sense, stupid Klingons mined the core of the moon until it collapsed under its own weight or simply became unstable and detonated due to volatile deposits.
     
  11. Dukhat

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    I personally do not need to be spoon-fed an after-the-fact reason why the Hobus star nova'd.
     
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  12. Gonzo

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    Beyond setting up the reason for Picards decisions it may never be mentioned again, or the series could revolve around Picards search for answers, we shall have to wait and see.

    I cant really see them ignoring it completely, especially as it was such an unnatural event.
     
  13. Dukhat

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    I really hope the show has little to do with the Romulans. I'm hoping that "post-Nemesis" simply means that the show won't be about Picard at an earlier time (a la Riker & Troi in TATV...)
     
  14. Tuskin38

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    There's no need to hope, they've given dates.

    It's just part of the back story, there is no reason to explain it since it happened 12 years before the show starts.
     
  15. Damian

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    That's my sense as well so far. They may depict it in a flashback, to place Picard during the event, and to show off some special effects. But I don't think it will dominate.

    Frankly, they may leave it to the novels to go in more detail. The Discovery novels so far have been more about fleshing backstories of the characters. I could see them doing something similar here. Giving you a brief overview on the sow and then if you want the details, including all how and why it occurred, that may be in a book at some point.
     
  16. The Overlord

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    I think it would be silly if Q did it, you may as well have Rejac do it. If you want to explain it, the Star Trek Online version is not a bad way to go.

    Considering the Romulans are the most underdeveloped civilization in Star Trek lore, I would like to see them get a real spotlight.
     
  17. gamer1

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    Heh, kidding? The show will be 150% about the romulans being refugees nobody wants and they will try draw parallells with todays migrants coming to Europe and USA. Mark my words.
     
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  18. Dukhat

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    Oy vey.
     
  19. Tuskin38

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    Well there is nothing wrong with doing that.
     
  20. The Overlord

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    Considering TOS has several episodes that allude to the Vietnam war, I have no problem with that. This has always been Star Trek's bread and butter.
     
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