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Picard series confirmed post-Romulus
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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No. The show will be about Jean-Luc Picard. Whether the Rihannsu play any big part in the present of that story is TBD.
I don't know? What do you think?
You know it dawned on me, with the Romulans potentially playing a role, it would be neat to have them discover Sisko's shenanigans from "In the Pale Moonlight."
Exactly. I think that's a FANTASTIC starting point for a Star Trek series. Isn't the apparent lack of social commentary and moral quandaries one of the big things that DSC's critics always rag on?
They'd probably admire Sisko for his duplicity.
The Romulan refugee parallel keeps cropping up , but it’s the worst case of small universe syndrome they could possibly fall foul of.
Romulus being destroyed leaves no one homeless, just dead, and for any stragglers, however many, the Romulan Star empire was always shown as being comparable in size and resources to the federation. They’d need a good plot device to paper over that.
A balance of power shift though, that could work, but an interstellar refugee crisis? The neutral zone alone must have hundreds of empty worlds. It might be topical, but it doesn’t fit the Trek universe.
Romulus being destroyed leaves no one homeless, just dead, and for any stragglers, however many, the Romulan Star empire was always shown as being comparable in size and resources to the federation. They’d need a good plot device to paper over that.
A balance of power shift though, that could work, but an interstellar refugee crisis? The neutral zone alone must have hundreds of empty worlds. It might be topical, but it doesn’t fit the Trek universe.
That you are probably right because it is a rather obvious route to take.
There were many Bajorans who balked at the idea of seeking help from the Federation. It lead to internal conflicts. Groups looking to take advantage of the hand offering help. Other forces trying to exploit the disagreements internal to Bajor.
It doesn't have to all be about refugees. I only mentioned it as a parallel to the world we are in today (which is something that Trek has sought to do). The quality of the writing staff will be able to take the state of the galaxy, and weave lots of interesting scenarios and complex characters, with layered events which lead to many things.
Clearly you have no idea how that small universe works. The issue is less refugees (of which there would be millions) but how do you maintain an empire without a government? Who gets resources to, and maintains, outlying worlds and colonies? THAT'S where the refugee crisis comes in.
On an episode basis, on a Starship themed series, doing the refugee thing is entirely appropriate. A ship full of refugees wants passage, drama ensues. What worries me is the shift toward serialisation and bigger scale stories, with the bridge crew at the centre.
DS9 was appalling for this. The command staff kept disappearing on adventures to save the day while they were supposed to be running a station. The fate of the quandrant rests on the decision of the captain. That’s not their job.
Clearly.
Where do the millions of refugees come from? You’ve got to be bloody tough to survive the destruction of your home star system.
So the empire is in disarray, old feuds flare up, hostile powers try to take advantage of the other worlds of the empire, fine. But how do you translate that in to the masses fleeing planets? Suddenly, millions can just up sticks and cross interstellar distances, and not only that, head for the population centres of the federation where they’ll cause problems instead of one of the many abundant unpopulated temperature planets of week.
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If the Romulans found out how they had been hoodwinked they would probably applaud.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me if they knew all along at the highest levels that it was a trick but they were so surprised by Starfleets willingness to play dirty they just went along with it, never realising it was really Garak, we all know Garak is a galactic class troll but I don't think the Romulans do.
When that star exploded it stands to reason that it wouldn't have just taken out the Romulan home system next door but a large part of the Romulans territory as well including any populated planets, ship building infrastructure and space stations orbiting nearby Star Systems.
The populated planets and installations in systems further away wouldn't necessarily be destroyed but they could be rendered lifeless and lose their atmosphere, there could be survivors but the numbers could potentially be very low, probably even lower than the off-planet survivors of Vulcans destruction as that only took out Vulcan alone and was an isolated event.
What happened to the Romulan civilisation is destruction on a truly galactic scale, the only survivors will be those like Nero who were on the fringes of Romulan space, such as:
Mining Ships
Deep Space Explorers
Ambassadors and Staff to all the other Powers
Neutral Zone Patrol Ships
Fringe Colonies such as those on the edge of the Neutral Zone
In fact I would go so far as to say it could have been done to stop the Romulans joining the Federation and/or Romulan/Vulcan Reunification, it wouldn't surprise me if the Cardassians have already joined or are in the process of joining.
That would be a powerful motive indeed for anyone with the technology.
Its not so much that the Star was destroyed as we saw Worf and Martok use such a tactic on a smaller scale to destroy a Dominion shipyard in DS9, its more to do with the scale of the act and that there was no trace left of who or what had done it.
The only way I can see it being done quickly would be manipulation of time or matter which has not been shown in any Star Trek series to date (or any scifi show for that matter), otherwise it would have to be a case of tipping the Star out of balance, a Star is finely balanced at all times between collapsing under its own gravity and exploding, it would take a ridiculous amount of energy to temporarily destabilise a Star never mind keeping that kind of effect going long enough to actually make it reach a critical stage, I cant see it being carried out by any of the known powers of the Alpha, Beta or Gamma Quadrants.
It instantly made the Romulans an endangered species and they most likely went to Vulcan and the protection of the Federation, they needed to concentrate their gene pool to ensure survival just like the Vulcans did in the Kelvinverse.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me if they knew all along at the highest levels that it was a trick but they were so surprised by Starfleets willingness to play dirty they just went along with it, never realising it was really Garak, we all know Garak is a galactic class troll but I don't think the Romulans do.
When that star exploded it stands to reason that it wouldn't have just taken out the Romulan home system next door but a large part of the Romulans territory as well including any populated planets, ship building infrastructure and space stations orbiting nearby Star Systems.
The populated planets and installations in systems further away wouldn't necessarily be destroyed but they could be rendered lifeless and lose their atmosphere, there could be survivors but the numbers could potentially be very low, probably even lower than the off-planet survivors of Vulcans destruction as that only took out Vulcan alone and was an isolated event.
What happened to the Romulan civilisation is destruction on a truly galactic scale, the only survivors will be those like Nero who were on the fringes of Romulan space, such as:
Mining Ships
Deep Space Explorers
Ambassadors and Staff to all the other Powers
Neutral Zone Patrol Ships
Fringe Colonies such as those on the edge of the Neutral Zone
In fact I would go so far as to say it could have been done to stop the Romulans joining the Federation and/or Romulan/Vulcan Reunification, it wouldn't surprise me if the Cardassians have already joined or are in the process of joining.
That would be a powerful motive indeed for anyone with the technology.
Its not so much that the Star was destroyed as we saw Worf and Martok use such a tactic on a smaller scale to destroy a Dominion shipyard in DS9, its more to do with the scale of the act and that there was no trace left of who or what had done it.
The only way I can see it being done quickly would be manipulation of time or matter which has not been shown in any Star Trek series to date (or any scifi show for that matter), otherwise it would have to be a case of tipping the Star out of balance, a Star is finely balanced at all times between collapsing under its own gravity and exploding, it would take a ridiculous amount of energy to temporarily destabilise a Star never mind keeping that kind of effect going long enough to actually make it reach a critical stage, I cant see it being carried out by any of the known powers of the Alpha, Beta or Gamma Quadrants.
It instantly made the Romulans an endangered species and they most likely went to Vulcan and the protection of the Federation, they needed to concentrate their gene pool to ensure survival just like the Vulcans did in the Kelvinverse.
Earth today has a population of 9 BILLION estimated. A planet like Romulus could have 15-20 Billion. There's likely several million Romulans who call the planet home who are off-world there when it's destroyed, even more if you consider those who fled before the supernova hit.
But as I said, that's not the true crisis. The real issue is how you maintain a vast empire without a central government, without the resources it provides. The destruction of Romulus also makes the Empire vulnerable to attack from outside aggressors. Outlying worlds lose their protection from the Romulan military, and suddenly Romulan colonies are under attack from any number of neighboring races, creating a further refugee crisis.
This. I don't need Star Trek to be a metaphor for current events. Seeing Picard dealing with a bunch of refugee Romulans is not what I'd call an interesting show to watch.
Yet we've already seen the destruction of a moon -- Praxis, not even Kronos (their one??? key energy resource) led to the near collapse of the Klingon Empire and the extinction of their race. Given that, it sounds much more reasonable that the destruction of Romulus would destabilize the Empire and it would be subject to invasion/rebellion by multiple (and some previously subjugated) worlds. This would have the remaining Romulans on the run and in need of amnesty.
I think that’s what happened in the novels? I know he confessed to Star fleet
Star Trek has always had metaphors about current events.
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I love when Star Trek is a metaphor for current events. Seeing Picard dealing with a bunch of refugee Romulans is what i'd call an interesting show to watch. We saw Trek deal with similar situations many many times, and suddenly NOW it's uninteresting?
Give me a break.
Why do people seem adamant about finding something to complain about?
Interesting or not, this is Trek's bread and butter.
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