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Picard Season one.... I miss Star Trek
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Yup. Humans robotic creations attack and want to destroy them. The difference is BSG did it better and had better special effects.
If that is your only takeaway then that is sad. .
it was poorly done. The dialogue to the story and to the costumes, sets and effects. They spent more time on holographic buttons and panels then anything else.
So far my favorite character from voyager becoming a cold blooded murderer hasn’t inspired me.
Obviously you don't give a shit about what that person did to Icheb.
Killing a unarmed person in cold blood no matter their crime is murder.
You're deliberately ignoring the fact that this "unarmed person" had Icheb brutally killed. She was a muderer and you know it. Probably wanted for murder as well and wanted "dead or alive". She killed a Starfleet Officer. Which is what Icheb was. You think she gets to walk away scott-free?
So don't you fucking take your supposed moral high ground with me. You're ignoring what happened on purpose so you can take it out of context.
Even In our world today someone shooting a person in cold blood with no trial is a crime. I would expect a human in the 24th century that was trained for years with the federation would not murder a unarmed person. It was murder you can’t argue it wasn’t. Even if guilty 7 of 9 should have brought her to justice. Killing her didn’t bring Icheb back. He’s still dead.
Ok. Great. Never mind the horror her person who was like a son to her went through. I trust the more evolved would not mourn.
You forgot that we're watching something that's dramatic. And sometimes characters don't always take actions that you personally would approve of. Seven of Nine isn't Starfleet. She never was. Janeway took her under her wing, but she chose a different path. She never joined Starfleet when Voyager returned to Earth, and now she's with the Fenris Rangers. If you thought she was going to do something else, you were mistaken.
Never on VOY did Seven of Nine ever say, "I'm going to join Starfleet when we get back!" Janeway decided Voyager was going to be a Starfleet ship, so Seven had to act as if she was on a Starfleet ship while she was there. But once she wasn't there anymore, she did something else.
That's all I want to say about this. It's obvious we don't see eye-to-eye on anything. Have a nice night.
I guess Kirk ordering a planet be destroyed in A taste of Armegeddon was light hearted fun. So many Star Trek fans wearing rose coloured glasses about past productions. Its like someone complaining that Kevin Costner's Robin Hood movie in 1991 is darker than Errol Flynn's version so he is not 'my' Robin.
It would be a crime on Earth or the UFP, Seven was not on Earth or the UFP. She was in an area where no one has any legal jurisdiction, she commited no crime.
Did Worf commit a crime killing Duras or did he carry out Klingon justice? Did Dax commit a crime taking part in a plot to kill the albino?
Vulcan - a planet where fights to the death are legal. (TOS Amok Time)
Andor - a planet where fights to the death are legal (ENT Babel One, United)
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At least the guy worf killed was armed and a willing combatant. Apples and oranges.
spock was ready to be punished for supposedly killing Kirk while in pon Farr.
Kirk was his friend he felt bad, if he had killed Stonn he would not have batted an eyelid, the authorites on Vulcan was not going to arrest Spock for something that was not a crime.
I can see how someone wouldn't like it. Certainly there are times when I don't like a lot of Star Trek characters-Kirk in TMP is my most immediate example. Yea, you can not like it but that's different then not understanding it.
I don't think they replaced the core of Seven. I think they gave her knew ways to cope with a chaotic environment after being released from the controlled environment of Voyager.
Having a different aesthetic preference than you have is not the writers being selfish.
I'm sorry, but this is communal storytelling. And the thing about communal storytelling is, there are going to be members of the audience who have a totally different (even conflicting!) relationship to the story than other audience members, and it is impossible for the writers to please everyone. That means that it is the responsibility of the writers to tell the stories they would want to hear, and then release the artwork to the audience. That means that, yes, sometimes a new entry isn't gonna be to your taste. Other times, it will. It just depends.
But creating a work of art according to their subjective aesthetic choices is not "taking that childhood toy and refusing to share."
What exactly do you think Gene Roddenberry was doing when he wrote "The Cage?" What do you think the TOS writers were doing when they wrote "The Ultimate Computer," or "A Private Little War," or "Journey to Babel," or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield?"
Almost nothing in storytelling or art is necessary. But I would argue that the graphic violence serves a dramatic function: It is a counterpoint to the peace and serenity that Picard achieves at the end of Season One. It's totally fair if it just doesn't subjectively work for you, but it's there for a reason.
As for swearing -- I would challenge you to ask yourself if your opposition to swearing is actually rational or consistent with the progressive values of Star Trek. Because I happen to think that declaring a set of words to be "bad words" absent an oppressive political agenda is ridiculous. The N-word is a bad word because it supports the immoral and oppressive political system called white supremacy; "fuck" is not a bad word, it is merely an interjection that expresses strong emotion. Classifying such unoppressive, apolitical interjections as obscenities seems to me to support a classist interpretation of language that values bourgeoisie pretensions of civility over genuine human feeling or genuine human freedom.
Writing Star Trek in a different way than your preferences is not theft.
Star Trek: Picard is an example of the classical definition of a "comedy:" It is a show that begins in darkness and ends in light. PIC is deeply life-affirming, and all the more life-affirming because it starts from a dark place and depicts light overcoming darkness.
If you didn't enjoy it, that's your prerogative. But to say that it lacked ST's hope and optimism is just false.
Apparently, it is under development for Nickelodeon. They seem to want to have different Star Trek shows for different age groups these days.
No, they have not. They have transferred his mind into a new body, but it is still him. It's also clearly a science-fictional version of the literary trope of death and resurrection, light triumphing over darkness and death yielding to new life. Your refusal to accept change does not mean he is not still Jean-Luc Picard.
Do you consider Data a cold blooded murderer? The only reason he didn't kill unarmed Fajo is due to the transporter beam catching him before the disruptor could finish firing, but he had pulled the trigger.
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