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"I made an assumption...and if it's wrong, you better apologize for not making it clearer so that I don't assume!"
What a silly sausage.
And then you've got someone in the comments taking the joke about "Good in bed, bad at pizza" literally, and thinking Deanna was sexually assaulted.
I...I just...
I'm out!
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Agreed. I absolutely loved the S1 of Picard, but they made it clear they moved to Nepenthe for a reason. We might not have gotten any vibes that they didn't want to be there, only they were still sad about Thad. But that's natural. They were seeing an old friend for the first time in while, and that was the focus for them in that episode.
Acknowledging that they both wanted to leave does not detract from them being there in the first place, or anything about them from the first season
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Agreed. I mean, the freaking name of the planet kind of tells you all you need to know about their state of mind.
"I made an assumption...and if it's wrong, you better apologize for not making it clearer so that I don't assume!"
What a silly sausage.
And then you've got someone in the comments taking the joke about "Good in bed, bad at pizza" literally, and thinking Deanna was sexually assaulted.
I...I just...
I'm out!
People are so quick to be outraged.
1) She said 'good in bed', so it's not framed as an assault.
2) Riker knows she is joking clearly and laughs,
3) She then clarifies she knew they were changelings as soon as they arrived.
The only way someone could see that as Troi being sexually assaulted is if:
A) They think she enjoyed it.
B) Riker doesn't give a fuck that his wife was raped.
C) She knew they were changelings and went ahead with it anyway for the lulz.
Exactly how is it that people can't comprehend what's clearly spelled out for them sometimes?
I mean... yeah, I'm out with you!
So I’ve been a long time lurker and decided to create an account just so I can chime in on this. As someone who has lost a child, that scene was absolutely spot on. My wife and I sold our house just to get away from the energy and memory of it all.We were both kind of in awe of just how perfect that entire mini-arc was written and how it really complemented what was set up in season one.
Terry throwing shade at the past two seasons is some of the best stuff about S3.
Well deserved.
He was given a near impossible task to right this ship after arguably the worst season in Star Trek (Pic S2), and somehow managed to pull it off.
Riker and Troi making fun of that S1 episode where they were written very 'out of character' by people who didn't get their characters, made me laugh. You can tell that even Frakes and Marina were having fun with those lines.
Out of curiosity, who were the showrunners for season two?
I guess we're gonna pretend Matalas was only responsible for any good things in season two and he wasn't around for all the bad stuff?
Out of curiosity, who were the showrunners for season two?
I guess we're gonna pretend Matalas was only responsible for any good things in season two and he wasn't around for all the bad stuff?
Well, he wasn’t. He was involved in the first episode and then went off to start working on season 3.
I know he took off to work on three, but I still disagree with the notion that we should just pretend he had no hand in any of the negatives of S2. He was there for all the foundational work before they even started too. A lot of decisions were made under his co-watch.
RoddenTerry indeed.
Very thoughtful review. Much better than most.
After "No Win Scenario," I did see comments online that wondered whether the Riker storyline, of him going from a dour outlook on life to being able to feel the beauty of the universe again, as well as the scene of him apologizing to Troi, might be metacommentary from the season 3 writers and producers acknowledging a shift in tone and course correction for the series. That it was basically the powers that be apologizing to the audience and saying they were going to do better.
TROI: You haven't said anything as lovely as that in a very long time.
RIKER: I know. And that's on me. And I'm sorry. I'm gonna fix it ... With you.
Also, if you look at season 3 as a whole, it reverses everything season 1 intended to do. The season 1 producers (and Patrick Stewart) didn't want the show to be a TNG reunion. Its become a TNG reunion. When you couple that with season 3 reversing the death of Data in season 1, gets rid of most of the characters from season 1, and now has Riker and Troi making fun of their circumstances in season 1, it sorta seems like the writers know how a huge chunk of the audience reacted to the first two seasons and are purposely going the other way
TROI: You haven't said anything as lovely as that in a very long time.
RIKER: I know. And that's on me. And I'm sorry. I'm gonna fix it ... With you.
Also, if you look at season 3 as a whole, it reverses everything season 1 intended to do. The season 1 producers (and Patrick Stewart) didn't want the show to be a TNG reunion. Its become a TNG reunion. When you couple that with season 3 reversing the death of Data in season 1, gets rid of most of the characters from season 1, and now has Riker and Troi making fun of their circumstances in season 1, it sorta seems like the writers know how a huge chunk of the audience reacted to the first two seasons and are purposely going the other way
People live for finding division don't they?
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It's been suggested by some that traditionally pro-NuTrek sites are bitter over NuTrek critics like RMB and the Popcast guys were granted advance access to season 3 episodes, while they were not, and have thus become more critical of said season than they were of say DISCOVERY or earlier PICARD seasons. Some of their contributors have even tried to throw some drama Terry Matalas' way on Twitter. So a site trying to play this up doesn't surprise me.
True, I did kinda take the bit as a potential dig towards Michael Chabon, who was let's remember was put on a bus to nowhere after season 1 and sought to divide the fanbase with his season, instead of trying to bring everyone together like Terry. Over three years and no word on his Showtime series after all save for the Scott Rudin apology... "Nepenthe" isn't some universally beloved episode. I'd argue it's one of the lowest points of season 1. It's one thing to have Riker and Troi's son die. It's another to have him die of an otherwise curable disease just to emphasize a bullshit plot point. With all their resources, would Riker and Troi just let their kid die because of a bad law? For me, this is almost as bad as that android body swap. Short of them having faked his death, season 3 wisely avoids exploring why exactly Thadd died.
To be fair, last night in a live stream this episode's writer, Matt Okumura, cited "Nepenthe" as his favorite episode from season 1, and praised the actors' performances.
Matt Okumura has confirmed this was indeed a joke.
I disagree. Season 1 was far worse than season 2!
Ok think of a bad boss you've had. Every time you gave a good suggestion, but instead they made a bad decision. Is that really on you?Out of curiosity, who were the showrunners for season two?
I guess we're gonna pretend Matalas was only responsible for any good things in season two and he wasn't around for all the bad stuff?
Terry did recruit several of the season 2 writers, who've been able to do a much better job during season 3. He also brought in Dave Blass. Instead, imagine if CBS had kept Michael Chabon on...
It needed to reverse far more... FWIW, the end of the season 3
is supposed to feature two major reset buttons. One I'm guessing is Q didn't die.
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Terry worked on more than one episode of Season 2, as he has interviews talking about later episodes in the Season. Yes, it wasn't the complete season, but he was part of the writers room, he was still showrunner for a few episodes, it was his idea to have a time travel story in the first place.
Stop living in denial.
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