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Nope.

"Devisive" is customarily hurled as accusatory, but what of it? There's nothing odd about the existence of a distancing between an audience seeking something at least somewhat fresh, smart and unexpected, and an audience that demands the familiar, trite and reassuring.

Let them be divided.
Besides, there’s nothing inherently divisive about wanting to try something that challenges the status quo. If division arises, it’s self-selecting and after the fact. I rather doubt Chabon included in his pitch “not only do I want to try something new (he did), but I want to make sure it drives traditional fans batshit crazy”.

Paramount: Well Mr. Chabon, thanks for dropping by.
 
I do enjoy the twist here though. Until this year it was the 'old-fashioned' viewers who were ranting and raving, and the 'tv has evolved' gang were telling them to chill out and relax. Now it's the other way around.
 
I do enjoy the twist here though. Until this year it was the 'old-fashioned' viewers who were ranting and raving, and the 'tv has evolved' gang were telling them to chill out and relax. Now it's the other way around.
To the surprise of no one who has had these discussions multiple times.
 
There's definitely a Matalas ascendency happening in the fanverse...I would only believe this if they used a shot of Chabon's hippie Berkley living room or something. Seems more clearly about the plot...

I am more of a writer person than a showrunner person and this one has had the best writing by far. Matt Okumura did well.
 
The line warranted an eyebrow raise from me, and while I do think the review takes too much umbrage about it, it is a bit of a pointed barb, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a review point this out --- and unpleasantly surprised how petulantly they did so.

However! It was well written and well delivered and made sense for the characters, so I think it's not much an issue, personally. As something of a retro prairie hipster myself, I think if I were as rich and successful as Chabon, I wouldn't not care in the slightest.
 
[QUOTE="As something of a retro prairie hipster myself, I think if I were as rich and successful as Chabon, I wouldn't not care in the slightest.[/QUOTE]

Purely from reading his writing, I imagine he fully cares...(if that was what it was)
 
The line warranted an eyebrow raise from me, and while I do think the review takes too much umbrage about it, it is a bit of a pointed barb, and I was pleasantly surprised to see a review point this out --- and unpleasantly surprised how petulantly they did so.

However! It was well written and well delivered and made sense for the characters, so I think it's not much an issue, personally. As something of a retro prairie hipster myself, I think if I were as rich and successful as Chabon, I wouldn't not care in the slightest.
I imagine a writer does care, though not in the same way as an audience members. Writers take time and energy and effort to pour in to their writing. In a way it is an extension of themselves, and their own personal interests, if not a reflection of their personal journey at the time. Similarly, an audience member finds aspects of the writing that reflect their own struggles, or need for personal encouragement, or a desired future or just a character they resonate with and so put a lot of value and it becomes an extension of themselves, and their own personal interests. However, as audience members become frustrated that writers don't value the same things, so to do I think writers become frustrated when audience members miss one aspect by focusing on something seemingly unimportant.
 
However, as audience members become frustrated that writers don't value the same things, so to do I think writers become frustrated when audience members miss one aspect by focusing on something seemingly unimportant.

Yes I think that's broadly true. I'm a nonfiction writer, so I think the push-and-pull is considerably different than for fiction and TV writers, and I certainly think criticism is an ever-present challenge for any writer. But, again, if I had a career like Chabon's I'd have probably already forgotten about working on Picard. Could be wrong wrong, though!
 
Yes I think that's broadly true. I'm a nonfiction writer, so I think the push-and-pull is considerably different than for fiction and TV writers, and I certainly think criticism is an ever-present challenge for any writer. But, again, if I had a career like Chabon's I'd have probably already forgotten about working on Picard. Could be wrong wrong, though!
I'm always amused by the assumption that a writer's opinion must reflect the popular opinion around their work. I recall a friend of mine who works in Hollywood sharing how he is always careful when he meets an actor to not deride their work based on the assumption that they might think they did a great job with it, and an outsider's opinion that it's the worst ever might not land well. It's definitely a give and take. When I have heard Trek writing staff speak there is usually audience questions around lore, or technical details and the writer doesn't always recall that stuff. They're not focused on that part the way a fan usually is.
 
Maybe the Rikers were just lamenting that they resent trying to be something they weren't because they were in a grief driven position and had lost their way.

Why would we ever consider that a story point is just a story point
 
Maybe the Rikers were just lamenting that they resent trying to be something they weren't because they were in a grief driven position and had lost their way.
The comments around Nepthene are interesting because people are like "Oh they are so happy and now they hate it." Well, in my experience both things can be true. I mean, certainly I resent parts of my current housing situation and value other parts of it. Why is it all or nothing thinking? Surely people have had both emotions about a stage in their life? No, just me...?
 
The comments around Nepthene are interesting because people are like "Oh they are so happy and now they hate it." Well, in my experience both things can be true. I mean, certainly I resent parts of my current housing situation and value other parts of it. Why is it all or nothing thinking? Surely people have had both emotions about a stage in their life? No, just me...?

IDK man, any nuance in character has to be a slam on someone else because clicks are important.
 
I don't want to litigate The Last Jedi here, but same with Ryan Johnson. People trying to move a franchise forward and into modern storytelling isn't someone making something intentionally divisive. Just because half of the fanbase has a fit because it doesn't fit with exactly with what they wanted doesn't mean it was done intentionally.
I don't think it was intentionally divisive. I don't think anyone went out with the intention to piss off a significant chunk of their potential audience. But the lesson from The Last Jedi is that you shouldn't tell your audience what they should like. Whenever I hear critics defend The Last Jedi, it always sounds like a parent telling a child that they should be grateful for their plate of broccoli because it's good for them. This is entertainment. Sometimes people just want to enjoy the good ole' junk food they've always known, not the healthy lifestyle choice that someone thinks they need.

I have never understood the thinking of studios and producers of using a legacy property to bring in an audience and then feeling you have to change it to bring it "forward."
 
I feel like I might rewatch Picard 1 in a few years and love it. Just like I now love VOY, seasons 1-2 of DS9, and some of seasons 3-4 of ENT. Probably not season 2, would love it if someone would cut out just the borg queen/agnes parts and make that its own film.
 
I have never understood the thinking of studios and producers of using a legacy property to bring in an audience and then feeling you have to change it to bring it "forward."
It’s not about “have to change” it’s about “let’s try out a new angle”. No one is guaranteed success but if they persuade the IP owners to let them try, then that’s all the justification needed. Also, these IPs are decades old, it’s only natural to try new things once in a while. Will it always work? No. But it won’t always fail, either.

There are multiple examples of this in other pop culture media. My favourite band is Genesis. It’s over 50 years old, has had multiple lineups, multiple styles, and been both obscure and among the most popular bands in the world at one time or another in that half century span. There are fans who only like “the old stuff” (pre-1975). Others who can’t stand “the old stuff”, still others who like every era, though not necessarily equally (I’m in the final camp). Sound familiar? The parallels in the arguments among various Genesis fans and Trek fans are numerous, differing only in scale.

I’m 55 years old. I’ve enjoyed every iteration of Trek (to varying degrees) save one—Prodigy—that one simply doesn’t grab me. I don’t hate it and I certainly don’t go into its forum to complain about why I don’t have an interest. It’s just outside my realm of caring. It did do one thing that I want from all my entertainment—challenge my expectations. Wasn’t enough but I appreciated the effort. The same goes for Last Jedi, much of “NuTrek” and many other things beyond. I don’t necessarily bail on things that I like but don’t challenge my expectations (PIC S3 is a prime example) but it’s always a bonus when they are challenged. It’s especially so in a long running IP where I’ve already had hundreds of hours of the traditional stuff (and can revisit it anytime).
 
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