What do you mean?
Who's the gatekeeper?
I am stating a fact. Alex Kurtzman is Terry's boss. Nothing gets on screen without going through him.
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What do you mean?
Who's the gatekeeper?
I am stating a fact. Alex Kurtzman is Terry's boss. Nothing gets on screen without going through him.
And it was the same in the 90s with Berman
Yes, and the anti-Kurtzman people claim otherwise because they don't want to believe it.TerryTrek wouldn't exist without Kurtzman's blessing.
Exactly. Kurtzman is the gatekeeper, so all his decisions yay or nay are open for debate. He got a few things right, but far far more things wrong.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
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No! Uh uh! Terry Matalas, with His godlike powers, was able to go around the woke Kurtzman and get His vision of Star Trek made without any input from all those lesser individuals. It is solely thanks to Him that we now have the perfect vision of how Star Trek should continue. We are truly living in a blessed world, now that we have Him in our lives.
Praise be to Matalas! Savior of Star Trek.
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In your opinion. I've loved most of what has come from his tenure of Star Trek. More than what came from under Berman.
Yup. That is the nature of the business. But, the wins are not given to Kurtzman. They happened in spite of him.TerryTrek wouldn't exist without Kurtzman's blessing.
Same here. And even with the stuff I disagree with, it has given far more variety to the STAR TREK catalog for people to enjoy. That's a big win in my book.
Forgive me. I’m new to this thread so I don’t know the tone, if you’re being sarcastic or not? Has there been reports of animosity between Terry Matalas and Kurtzman? From what I’ve heard from Terry he’s nothing but grateful to Kurtzman, and was one of the people he thanked when he got his awards.
Was there something I missed?
A little sarcastic. More observing that if Matalas has a success it is credited all to Matalas by members of the fanbase. If there is a poorly received entry all credit is given to Kurtzman, despite him being in charage.
It's nonsensical.
Given the tepid box office response to Harrison Ford's final Indiana Jones, a film I really liked, I cannot see why Paramount would even consider another Picard/TNG feature? To be released limited but mainly on PPlus, well maybe, but idk that's an odd expenditure for a company that's in the red.
Recastings have been hit-and-miss affairs.
Hit: Star Trek '09, Strange New Worlds
Miss: Solo: A Star Wars Story (Fans refused to tolerate recasting Harrison Ford -- never mind the fact that the man is 81)
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Maybe Paramount isn't considering it.
Paramount is bigger than Star Trek (it also owns a chain of money-losing theaters):
I wouldnt say recasting was the problem, in fact Alden was quite good, it was other factors like right behind a divisive Last Jedi, it coming out only after a few months, if it was in decemeber it would have done better. and other factors.
Recasting wasn't it, but i think the studios have taken that path as seen with CGI Luke. People get recast all the time, look at Obi wan.
IDK "right" and "wrong" are very subjective terms here. And considering that modern Trek is successful and popular I'd say your "gatekeeper" made the right choices.
For me he's closer to have a 50:50 succesrate in producing Trek I like and that's comparable or better than previous eras of Trek. The only two things coming out of modern Trek I that I personally have a revulsion to are PIC seasons 1-2 and Season 1 of DISC. Beyond that I also had little interest in the following seasons of these shows.
But even here's caveats; change and remove a few aspects of PIC and I'd a tually be able to like that show, and I thought DISC had great characters, but just placed them in storylines that I had no interest in (plus the whole mystery box format I have grown tired of)
Kurtzman Trek comprises five shows. There's no law stating that people need to like them all. Heck, there's no law saying that you have to like any of them. But the odds are that at least one show will cater to your tastes. For me, that show was Prodigy. It was far more than the kid's show that it was advertised as, and was a great sequel to Voyager. The four other shows ranged from ok to downright awful.
The problem with Berman Trek was that most of the shows were not all that different. DS9 was probably the biggest outlier, but TNG, VOY and ENT were basically the same show: A crew on a ship aimlessly flying through space encountering aliens-of-the-week. The formula got dull. Kurtzman Trek also suffers from this, but to nowhere near the degree of the previous iteration of Trek. Heck, most of ENT's first and second season episodes could have been VOY episodes.
The problem with Berman Trek was that most of the shows were not all that different. DS9 was probably the biggest outlier, but TNG, VOY and ENT were basically the same show: A crew on a ship aimlessly flying through space encountering aliens-of-the-week. The formula got dull. Kurtzman Trek also suffers from this, but to nowhere near the degree of the previous iteration of Trek. Heck, most of ENT's first and second season episodes could have been VOY episodes.
I've felt like Picard season 1 and Discovery are like the "Becker Speech" from Bojack Horseman, where you can see all of the elements of how something should be great, and you keep hoping that it'll come together, but for whatever reason it never really does.
Picard season 1 has a really great idea at its core (i.e., What happens when a character who has believed in the Federation's values and devoted his life to them feels alienated from that Federation because those values have changed?), but it just never feels like they were able to square the circle on it because of how the season goes about dealing with everything around it. And I've felt some of the seasons of Discovery have suffered from the same problem. I really like the idea at the center of Discovery season 3, but the execution of it I thought was ultimately bad.
Yup. And Disney owned that failure, citing problems with the release take and marketing. Recasting was not the issue.
Agreed, for sure.
I think part of the challenge is is that in the past people expect to like all of Trek. That's an impossible situation to support going forward, especially the more shows are produced.
I'm struggling to see the formula that Kurtzman Trek suffers from. Not even are all shows pretty distinct, but SEASONS are completely different within the same show. I couldn't nail down Discovery's formula from season to season let alone as a whole show. Especially when compared to Prodigy or... well any of the shows.
I spoke poorly. What I meant was that Kurtzman Trek suffers from feeling the need to use formers shows like TOS and TNG as crutches rather than doing something truly original. In that regard, Prodigy was the most original show in that, while using VOY as a crutch, still managed to tell an original and interesting story with interesting and original characters. YMMV.
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