Discovery was never intended to be in a different continuity from the other series.
Picard film in development
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In which he was then able to tell stories without worrying about 55 years of history.
Danja was making a joke.
From a certain point of view.
But let's stop talking about Lower Decks.
As far as Picard Season 3, someone might think it went too far, but it actually didn't. As far as almost all of my friends IRL are concerned, Star Trek is TNG and that's it. I was always the oddball even among oddballs. But anyway... I've gotten together with different sets of those friends this past year, and Picard has come up. They all liked PIC Season 3 (of the ones who watched it). Including those who didn't like PIC Season 1. One of them, who I know for a fact has seen virtually NONE of even DS9 or VOY, had no problem following the plot for PIC Season 3.
You don't need to know who the Dominion are. You just need to know that Shapeshifters used to be the enemy, Vadik's one of them, she's not happy with peace and wants revenge. The End.
You don't even need to know what happened to the Borg Queen. If you're watching PIC Season 3, you've watched First Contact. If you're watching, even if you only like TNG, you know who she is. If you didn't go on to watch VOY, you can put two-and-two together that she was defeated in something you didn't see, and... she wants revenge. It all comes back to revenge.
Someone who's watching Picard who hasn't watched Star Trek besides TNG (and its films) can follow it. Someone who's seen more or everything, will notice things those other people didn't notice. And then people here can spot even more stuff and obsess over it non-stop with tunnel vision.
EDITED TO ADD: The furthest I'll go is to say they didn't make Picard to be anyone's first Star Trek series. It's something you should watch after you've seen TNG.
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I agree but at some point they need to stop saying it's in the Prime Universe because they are afraid fans won't think it is legit if it doesn't have that "Prime Universe" seal of approval.
Until fans stop putting that on weight on it. They are trying to sell a product and the last several years have taught them that Prime sells.
What makes Strange New Worlds successful though is it feels like Star Trek but also feels new and modern as well. It does things that makes it hard to see it as being in the Prime Universe but not because it doesn't feel like fake Trek. Star Trek:Orville works or worked on that level as well.
Section 31 was never envisioned as a streaming movie first, and yet, that's what's going to happen.
If they are under the assumption that the only ones that will show up to theatres are Trek fans in spite of advertising, and they are aware how some Trek fans are negative about Section 31 being a part of Trek lore, its how you can figure that they'd want something "safer", with a movie based around a character in the public consciousness, i.e. Picard.
I think rather, "Star Trek" sells.
I think a good chunk of the Discovery and SNW viewership have no idea what "Prime" is. They just see something like looks like Star Trek.
CBS/Paramount is incredibly bad at promotion though. I loved the promos for Discovery... which were basically "Hey guys! You like STAR TREK, right? What about KIRK! And SPOCK? And the ENTERPRISE! You guys love nostalgia, right? That's what you want. Ok... so hear me out... we're going to set the show during a familiar time, right before THE ORIGINAL SERIES! NOSTALGIA, right?! But what we're going to do is make it look and feel absolutely nothing like the original series, and have very little to nothing to do with any sort of nostalgia. Because "nostalgia" means "update everything to make it unrecognizable". Right?
My take is a lot blander than yours.
Nemesis tanked so badly, the 24th Century was considered "toxic" for almost two decades. No one would go near it. The Kelvin Films, OTOH, put Star Trek back on the map. Love them or hate them, doesn't matter. In the process, it sort of put TOS back on the map as well. So, when they were putting Star Trek back on TV, and they wanted people to go out of their way to get a new subscription, they enticed them with TOS things. "10 years before Kirk and Spock." "Spock's foster-sister." TOS font (but updated). And having the Enterprise appear at the end of the season.
The message they got from the Kelvin Films was, "TOS is the way to go! But update it! Change the look of it!" So they went about doing that in their own way.
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And honestly... that's totally fine... if you make your updated and changed version NOT an outright replacement for the thing we liked and were nostalgic about.
DSC and SNW work fine as an outright reboot for Trek.
Well none of the new series are replacements.
They aren't "replacing", just... erasing it.
DSC and SNW just... can not exist in the same world as TOS.
TNG, DS9 and ENT went to fairly great pains to ensure that TOS still fit into the world.
DSC and SNW have not. SNW comes much closer, but it's still just impossible for those two things to exist together.
What does this have to do with a Picard Film?
You can connect the new shows with the old shows but it can be a challenge where as it was much easier to connect TOS to TNG and then TNG to DS9,Voyager etc because most of those shows were made and ran by the same guy in Rick Berman. Plus you didn't have to do much recasting. When Spock,Bones,Sarek,Scotty show up on TNG it's the same actors from TOS. When Gowron and TRoi etc show up on DS9 it's still the same actors. One of the reasons why season 3 worked for so many on Picard is they brought back the old actors when we saw Ro,Tuvok,Morriarity etc.
So... I guess the Enterprise gets a refit sometime after 2254 but before 2256, and then gets another one to bring is mostly back to what it had been in 2254 before 2266, only to to get yet another refit in 2273.
I don't really see how it makes any sense.
For the record: I consider SNW and first two seasons of DSC to be a different take on the TOS Era as well. And I say that as a fan of Discovery.
My position on it is that any differences between TOS and DSC/SNW are due to the Temporal War. Similar to when it was said in "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" (SNW) that the Eugenics Wars used to take place in the 1990s but now they happened in the mid-21st Century.
Anyone who's insisting "Nope! There's no change at all!" is ignoring the new information from "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow" and are giving the same answers they've been used to giving over and over again for all these years. They're doing it out of habit more than anything else, rather than processing and incorporating what's been spelled out in the show itself.
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As far as a Picard TV Movie, as long as it's not the TNG Crew all back together on the Enterprise-D crew saving the day yet again, I'm all for it. Picard Season 3 ended TNG the way I wanted. Picard himself, OTOH, I think there are things they can explore in a movie that the first three seasons of PIC only barely scratched the surface of.
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