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Paul Wesley's incarnation of James T. Kirk

Fair enough. Paul and the director may have made the choice not to do a Sharner impression. Going by your videos and comments you seem to want Paul to channel Shatner directly, similarly to how Ewan McGregor channeled Alec Guinness or Karl Urban channeled Kelley. That's fine, but it wasn't clear from your previous comments
I'm glad you brought those two up, particularly Ewan McGregor as I bought him as a young Obi Wan Kenobi the very first time I saw him in TPM. Ewan made me believe he was a young Obi Wan Kenobi. Chris Pine made me believe he was James T Kirk. In my opinion, if you're going to bring an iconic character like that back, then you better damn well make sure that the actor you cast can pull it off. Otherwise it looks foolish.
 
This isn't hard to grasp. IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME MAN. Pike's letter changed history and how people lived their lives before the events at the Neutral Zone outposts. Wesley can play Kirk differently because it's not the Shatner Kirk with Shatner Kirk's experiences since taking command of the Enterprise.
Ewan McGregor was able to play a younger version of Obi Wan Kenobi that most people bought.:shrug:
 
This isn't hard to grasp. IT'S NOT THE EXACT SAME MAN. Pike's letter changed history and how people lived their lives before the events at the Neutral Zone outposts. Wesley can play Kirk differently because it's not the Shatner Kirk with Shatner Kirk's experiences since taking command of the Enterprise.
Can we pin this to this thread and have it automatically reply when the ongoing complaints about Wesley as Kirk continue on? Or should I just ignore this and Kirk and move on?

James R. Kirk is better anyway.
Ewan McGregor was able to play a younger version of Obi Wan Kenobi that most people bought.:shrug:
Point: this misses it.

When Season 2 airs and Wesley appears as Kirk then people can burn him at the state for his not lining up with TOS Kirk in some way. I personally have no issue since people change over time, even in the span of 6 years, but you know, don't let it stop the hit parade on Wesley.
 
Show me where this version of Kirk was in Strange New Worlds

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I'm not expecting him in Quality of Mercy.

Hell I'm not expecting him in Season 2. It's annoying he's there as it is.
 
I'm glad you brought those two up, particularly Ewan McGregor as I bought him as a young Obi Wan Kenobi the very first time I saw him in TPM. Ewan made me believe he was a young Obi Wan Kenobi. Chris Pine made me believe he was James T Kirk. In my opinion, if you're going to bring an iconic character like that back, then you better damn well make sure that the actor you cast can pull it off. Otherwise it looks foolish.
We're going to have to disagree on Pine. Admittedly this isn't really Pine's fault, but what the writers chose to do with their timeline Kirk more than anything.
 
Can we pin this to this thread and have it automatically reply when the ongoing complaints about Wesley as Kirk continue on? Or should I just ignore this and Kirk and move on?
If you can't handle difference of opinion on a forum then maybe you should move on.

Point: this misses it.

I fail to see how it misses the point. Ewan McGregor has always played Obi Wan Kenobi in a different time of his life than Alec Guiness did. And it's totally believable every time. At no point in McGregor's time on screen have I said "That's not Obi Wan Kenobi."
 
Obi-Wan Kenobi's personal timeline of life events wasn't changed between the Disney+ series and A New Hope. It's not the same.
But it's still a different actor playing a different version of the character without all the experiences that the Alex Guiness version had. The point stands.
 
If you can't handle difference of opinion on a forum then maybe you should move on.
Oh, I can handle it. It's the repetition that's interesting, as well as missing the point.
I fail to see how it misses the point. Ewan McGregor has always played Obi Wan Kenobi in a different time of his life than Alec Guiness did. And it's totally believable every time. At no point in McGregor's time on screen have I said "That's not Obi Wan Kenobi."
Kirk doesn't have the same experiences in "A Quality of Mercy." I would not expect Kirk to act like he did until TOS in that episode.

Also, there were several moments I went "that's not Obi-Wan" with McGregor.

Mileage will vary, obvious, and clearly does.

James R. Kirk is still the best.
 
As needs to be repeated, early Season 1 TOS isn't recognizable Kirk. The character didn't become "stereotype James Kirk" until sometime later in Season 1 and episodes like "The Man Trap" certainly weren't an example of the James T. Kirk people have been impersonating, lampooning and revering for the past 50 years.
Personally I think the best version of Kirk was the season 1 version. Same with Spock and McCoy. In season 1 they all had observable flaws and there were plenty of things Spock didn't know.

I felt all the characters lost something as they became their stereotypical selves that we know from mid season 2 and all the way through season 3.
 
Personally I think the best version of Kirk was the season 1 version. Same with Spock and McCoy. In season 1 they all had observable flaws and there were plenty of things Spock didn't know.

I felt all the characters lost something as they became their stereotypical selves that we know from mid season 2 and all the way through season 3.
I've been doing a rewatch of TOS and I have to agree. I'm at that mid season two point now and the quality is certainly starting to drop. Rodenberry was certainly obsessed with episodes about god like beings toying with the crew. I read somewhere that Shatner "hammed it up" when he knew he had a bad script. Not sure how accurate that is but I do prefer his character in season 1 as compared to season 2. Not sure how far I'll get through season 3 as so many of those episode are just unwatchable.
 
You could have given those actresses different names and no one would have know the difference

I absolutely love the SNW versions of Chapel and M'Benga (M'Benga who really should not be on the ship yet). I really couldn't care that they are supposed to be the characters from TOS and they could have called them Dr. Phil and nurse Betty for all I care because it's not their connection to TOS that I love them for.
 
Can we pin this to this thread and have it automatically reply when the ongoing complaints about Wesley as Kirk continue on? Or should I just ignore this and Kirk and move on?
Sorry are we not allowed to complain about Wesley's performance of Kirk on the Wesley's performance of Kirk thread.

Maybe don't be on this thread if you don't want to hear peoples opinions on Wesley. Rather than trying to backseat mod anyone who dares disagree with you.
 
Sorry are we not allowed to complain about Wesley's performance of Kirk on the Wesley's performance of Kirk thread.

Maybe don't be on this thread if you don't want to hear peoples opinions on Wesley. Rather than trying to backseat mod anyone who dares disagree with you.
We're allowed to say that dull, repetitious complaints are dull and repetitious.
 
Sorry are we not allowed to complain about Wesley's performance of Kirk on the Wesley's performance of Kirk thread.

Maybe don't be on this thread if you don't want to hear peoples opinions on Wesley. Rather than trying to backseat mod anyone who dares disagree with you.
That's not what I said. I was noting that the complaint about him not being like Kirk misses the point that it was an alternate time line Kirk so I would not expect him to be like TOS Kirk. The repeating of it feels very much like it misses the point of the whole episode!

Personally I don't think Kirk should be here at all but that's a whole other thread.
 
I want to visit the alternate timeline where Connery and Moore were reversed, but Connery's films were still marketed as "younger" just for the lulz.
 
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