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Paris never should have taken over from Kes in Sickbay...

It never seemed to sit right with me. I think Harry should have been the one the script writers chose...

Man... why HARRY? Is it because the writers made him out to be the asexual, harmless, genius know-it-all token Asian guy? Or is it also because he's the bitch of the ship?

I'm glad Paris was the nurse.

Well they seemed to randomly choose Paris.... so I randomly chose Harry! LOL! Actually, no I chose him because he IS the bitch of the ship... :guffaw:
I just never thought using the best pilot on the whole ship as the stand in medic was a feasible idea... just seemed a bit ridiculous.

In hindsight, maybe the borg baby could have been the new medic... ;)
 
I don't agree, it was clear by the events in "The Gift" & "Fury" that being on Voyager ruined her life because she didn't have the understanding to avoid things that would do her harm. Once again as she said: her curious nature would get her into trouble. She missed oppertunities of having a normal life and any chance at ever having a family of her own because she allowed herself to follow behind others that knew nothing of her or her kind. Her own people warned her not to leave Ocampia and look what became of her.

What? :eek:

Kes's life wasn't ruined on Voyager!

First of all, let's count out "Fury" because that episode showed up a pathetic creature which had no resemblance at all to the real Kes.

If we do concentrate on seasons 1-3 instead, there is no episode in which it could be stated that Kes was unhappy on Voyager and that her life there was "ruining" her in any way. She loved her life on Voyager and she loved to learn and explore. She was happy there.

And she did learn a lot and get a lot of new friends. Her life was much richer on Voyager than it would ever have been on her drab homeworld.

Two badly written, flawed episodes, one with the purpose of getting rid of the character as soon as possible so they could bring in a blonde woman in catsuit and one made to destroy the character and annoy her fans doesn't outweigh the 60 or so episodes which showed that Kes enjoyed her life on Voyager, learned a lot and developed as a person.
 
I liked Kes as a character and you could say that with her being a nurse in sickbay, she has grown to appreciate different lifeforms and species 8472 CHOSE to speak to Kes, I don't think aliens would make first contact with ANY body. I don't like Seven as much as she seems to be a handful (excuse the pun!)
 
I personally believe that she has evolved into something beyond the current Ocampans.
Not according to "Coldfire".

In the ep. Tannis told her when she achieved the full extent of her mental abilities that she would find "Exoshia", a state of being where Ocampians could exist as pure thought. That's what Kes saw beyond the subatomic in "The Gift."
 
It never seemed to sit right with me. I think Harry should have been the one the script writers chose...

Man... why HARRY? Is it because the writers made him out to be the asexual, harmless, genius know-it-all token Asian guy? Or is it also because he's the bitch of the ship?

I'm glad Paris was the nurse.

Well they seemed to randomly choose Paris.... so I randomly chose Harry! LOL! Actually, no I chose him because he IS the bitch of the ship... :guffaw:
I just never thought using the best pilot on the whole ship as the stand in medic was a feasible idea... just seemed a bit ridiculous.

In hindsight, maybe the borg baby could have been the new medic... ;)


Realistically of course they should've went with a couple of blue shirts on board to become assistants to the Doc even if it ony meant they required a little extra training, which if you're in the right area can't be that hard. Also isn't Voyager primarily a Science ship anyway which would mean that they would more than likely have a couple of blue shirts who could easily get the extra training required to qualify as Nurses.
 
I don't agree, it was clear by the events in "The Gift" & "Fury" that being on Voyager ruined her life because she didn't have the understanding to avoid things that would do her harm. Once again as she said: her curious nature would get her into trouble. She missed oppertunities of having a normal life and any chance at ever having a family of her own because she allowed herself to follow behind others that knew nothing of her or her kind. Her own people warned her not to leave Ocampia and look what became of her.

What? :eek:

Kes's life wasn't ruined on Voyager!

First of all, let's count out "Fury" because that episode showed up a pathetic creature which had no resemblance at all to the real Kes.

If we do concentrate on seasons 1-3 instead, there is no episode in which it could be stated that Kes was unhappy on Voyager and that her life there was "ruining" her in any way. She loved her life on Voyager and she loved to learn and explore. She was happy there.

And she did learn a lot and get a lot of new friends. Her life was much richer on Voyager than it would ever have been on her drab homeworld.

Two badly written, flawed episodes, one with the purpose of getting rid of the character as soon as possible so they could bring in a blonde woman in catsuit and one made to destroy the character and annoy her fans doesn't outweigh the 60 or so episodes which showed that Kes enjoyed her life on Voyager, learned a lot and developed as a person.
Please, spare me.

Kes was dead set on having children in "Elogium" and presuing a life with someone beyond Voyager in "Darkling". Why wouldn't she be upset that none of that happened?

Kes in "Fury" made every indication that is was the Kes we always knew. Pretending that it isn't doesn't erase actual canon. If it was to get rid of her, then they planned it around "Coldfire" because everything she was told that would happen to her once her powers came out actually did. So if it was poorly written then she was poorly written since "Caretaker" & "Time & Again" when she explained about her peoples mental abilities.
 
As much as I dislike the episode "Fury" it does do a good job demonstrating how people can come to blame others for everything bad that has happened to them instead of recognizing the consequences of their own choices.

Kes was a born explorer. That is why she left her home to explore above ground in the first place. The consequence of that was being captured by the Kazon but also finding a new home on Voyager. She took this same spirit of exploration into her medical studies.

Even when she left Voyager she was an explorer off on her next adventure. Now, we don't know the details of what happened to her/the choices she made after leaving Voyager. We just know they weren't good and she blamed her "family" for her state in life. Gee, don't we all at times? ;)

Back to topic I liked the interplay between Paris and the Doctor. I also liked the friendship between Kes and the Doctor and I think it was a shame she had to leave the show. It would have been interesting to see how Kes and Seven got along.
 
I don't agree, it was clear by the events in "The Gift" & "Fury" that being on Voyager ruined her life because she didn't have the understanding to avoid things that would do her harm. Once again as she said: her curious nature would get her into trouble. She missed oppertunities of having a normal life and any chance at ever having a family of her own because she allowed herself to follow behind others that knew nothing of her or her kind. Her own people warned her not to leave Ocampia and look what became of her.

What? :eek:

Kes's life wasn't ruined on Voyager!

First of all, let's count out "Fury" because that episode showed up a pathetic creature which had no resemblance at all to the real Kes.

If we do concentrate on seasons 1-3 instead, there is no episode in which it could be stated that Kes was unhappy on Voyager and that her life there was "ruining" her in any way. She loved her life on Voyager and she loved to learn and explore. She was happy there.

And she did learn a lot and get a lot of new friends. Her life was much richer on Voyager than it would ever have been on her drab homeworld.

Two badly written, flawed episodes, one with the purpose of getting rid of the character as soon as possible so they could bring in a blonde woman in catsuit and one made to destroy the character and annoy her fans doesn't outweigh the 60 or so episodes which showed that Kes enjoyed her life on Voyager, learned a lot and developed as a person.
Please, spare me.

Kes was dead set on having children in "Elogium" and presuing a life with someone beyond Voyager in "Darkling". Why wouldn't she be upset that none of that happened?

Kes in "Fury" made every indication that is was the Kes we always knew. Pretending that it isn't doesn't erase actual canon. If it was to get rid of her, then they planned it around "Coldfire" because everything she was told that would happen to her once her powers came out actually did. So if it was poorly written then she was poorly written since "Caretaker" & "Time & Again" when she explained about her peoples mental abilities.

You're wrong in your assumptions.

Kes was set on having children in "Elogium" but accepted that the elogium was a false one and that it would be possible for her to have children in a later state of her life. She never complained about it or even mention it later on so there is no eveidence at all that she was upset in any way or that it would trigger the ridiculous events in "Fury".

Kes had a crush on Zahir in "Darkling" but in the end she decided to stay on the ship because she wanted to stay with her close friends. Once again, there is no evidence anywhere that she regretted that decision.

It has never been stated that the events in "Cold Fire" were part of some plan to get rid of Kes. If it had been, I'm sure that Berman, Braga and Taylor would have mentioned that in their excuses for getting rid of the character. It's more likely that the decision to get rid of Kes was a very quick one, considering the many flaws and the unrealistic scenario in "The Gift".

The pathetic, ridiculous wreck we did see in the horrible episode "Fury" had no resemblance at all with the real Kes. The reasons brought up for her wanting some sort of revenge on her crewmates is downright ridiculous and adownright shame for anything which has something to do with decent Star Trek writing. The real Kes would rather have sacrificed her own life than to harm any of her crewmates. Besides that, the "String Theory" books have come up with a plausible explanation what the pathetic creature we saw in "Fury" really was.
 
It never seemed to sit right with me. I think Harry should have been the one the script writers chose...

Man... why HARRY? Is it because the writers made him out to be the asexual, harmless, genius know-it-all token Asian guy? Or is it also because he's the bitch of the ship?

I'm glad Paris was the nurse.

Well they seemed to randomly choose Paris.... so I randomly chose Harry! LOL! Actually, no I chose him because he IS the bitch of the ship... :guffaw:
I just never thought using the best pilot on the whole ship as the stand in medic was a feasible idea... just seemed a bit ridiculous.

In hindsight, maybe the borg baby could have been the new medic... ;)

Actually Paris was pretty much set up to work in Sickbay from the very start; it was Kes who replaced him much later on. Nelix - "What about the elecronic man down in Sickbay?" (I always remember that line because Ethan delievers the word Elec-tronic rather humorously). Janeway tells the staff that the doctor is an emergency medical supliment to the normal staff and that Paris would have to double up on his duties.
 
What? :eek:

Kes's life wasn't ruined on Voyager!

First of all, let's count out "Fury" because that episode showed up a pathetic creature which had no resemblance at all to the real Kes.

If we do concentrate on seasons 1-3 instead, there is no episode in which it could be stated that Kes was unhappy on Voyager and that her life there was "ruining" her in any way. She loved her life on Voyager and she loved to learn and explore. She was happy there.

And she did learn a lot and get a lot of new friends. Her life was much richer on Voyager than it would ever have been on her drab homeworld.

Two badly written, flawed episodes, one with the purpose of getting rid of the character as soon as possible so they could bring in a blonde woman in catsuit and one made to destroy the character and annoy her fans doesn't outweigh the 60 or so episodes which showed that Kes enjoyed her life on Voyager, learned a lot and developed as a person.
Please, spare me.

Kes was dead set on having children in "Elogium" and presuing a life with someone beyond Voyager in "Darkling". Why wouldn't she be upset that none of that happened?

Kes in "Fury" made every indication that is was the Kes we always knew. Pretending that it isn't doesn't erase actual canon. If it was to get rid of her, then they planned it around "Coldfire" because everything she was told that would happen to her once her powers came out actually did. So if it was poorly written then she was poorly written since "Caretaker" & "Time & Again" when she explained about her peoples mental abilities.

You're wrong in your assumptions.

Kes was set on having children in "Elogium" but accepted that the elogium was a false one and that it would be possible for her to have children in a later state of her life. She never complained about it or even mention it later on so there is no eveidence at all that she was upset in any way or that it would trigger the ridiculous events in "Fury".

Kes had a crush on Zahir in "Darkling" but in the end she decided to stay on the ship because she wanted to stay with her close friends. Once again, there is no evidence anywhere that she regretted that decision.

It has never been stated that the events in "Cold Fire" were part of some plan to get rid of Kes. If it had been, I'm sure that Berman, Braga and Taylor would have mentioned that in their excuses for getting rid of the character. It's more likely that the decision to get rid of Kes was a very quick one, considering the many flaws and the unrealistic scenario in "The Gift".

The pathetic, ridiculous wreck we did see in the horrible episode "Fury" had no resemblance at all with the real Kes. The reasons brought up for her wanting some sort of revenge on her crewmates is downright ridiculous and adownright shame for anything which has something to do with decent Star Trek writing. The real Kes would rather have sacrificed her own life than to harm any of her crewmates. Besides that, the "String Theory" books have come up with a plausible explanation what the pathetic creature we saw in "Fury" really was.
Everybody knows the books aren't canon.

Getting rid of Kes wasn't a quick one considering there had to be try outs from other actors for the roll of Seven of Nine. Many fans in America knew by the end of 2rd season someone would be leaving the cast. We knew by the middle of 3rd it would be Kes. So it took considerable time to plot it all out. So the abilities she's shown in "Coldfire" are the same exact abilites that cause the character to leave, the writers just tied it all in. That in of itself is crystal clear. B&B&T didn't need to mention it, we all saw it for ourselves on TV.

I think kimc explains Kes' reason in "Fury" rather nicely. I suggest you debate her about that issue. However, if no evidence is given about Kes being unhappy not having a child or life outside of Voyager, I don't see why anybody should accept Kes in "Fury" wasn't her either because the same rules applies.
 
Please, spare me.

Kes was dead set on having children in "Elogium" and presuing a life with someone beyond Voyager in "Darkling". Why wouldn't she be upset that none of that happened?

Kes in "Fury" made every indication that is was the Kes we always knew. Pretending that it isn't doesn't erase actual canon. If it was to get rid of her, then they planned it around "Coldfire" because everything she was told that would happen to her once her powers came out actually did. So if it was poorly written then she was poorly written since "Caretaker" & "Time & Again" when she explained about her peoples mental abilities.

You're wrong in your assumptions.

Kes was set on having children in "Elogium" but accepted that the elogium was a false one and that it would be possible for her to have children in a later state of her life. She never complained about it or even mention it later on so there is no eveidence at all that she was upset in any way or that it would trigger the ridiculous events in "Fury".

Kes had a crush on Zahir in "Darkling" but in the end she decided to stay on the ship because she wanted to stay with her close friends. Once again, there is no evidence anywhere that she regretted that decision.

It has never been stated that the events in "Cold Fire" were part of some plan to get rid of Kes. If it had been, I'm sure that Berman, Braga and Taylor would have mentioned that in their excuses for getting rid of the character. It's more likely that the decision to get rid of Kes was a very quick one, considering the many flaws and the unrealistic scenario in "The Gift".

The pathetic, ridiculous wreck we did see in the horrible episode "Fury" had no resemblance at all with the real Kes. The reasons brought up for her wanting some sort of revenge on her crewmates is downright ridiculous and adownright shame for anything which has something to do with decent Star Trek writing. The real Kes would rather have sacrificed her own life than to harm any of her crewmates. Besides that, the "String Theory" books have come up with a plausible explanation what the pathetic creature we saw in "Fury" really was.
Everybody knows the books aren't canon.

Getting rid of Kes wasn't a quick one considering there had to be try outs from other actors for the roll of Seven of Nine. Many fans in America knew by the end of 2rd season someone would be leaving the cast. We knew by the middle of 3rd it would be Kes. So it took considerable time to plot it all out. So the abilities she's shown in "Coldfire" are the same exact abilites that cause the character to leave, the writers just tied it all in. That in of itself is crystal clear. B&B&T didn't need to mention it, we all saw it for ourselves on TV.

I think kimc explains Kes' reason in "Fury" rather nicely. I suggest you debate her about that issue. However, if no evidence is given about Kes being unhappy not having a child or life outside of Voyager, I don't see why anybody should accept Kes in "Fury" wasn't her either because the same rules applies.

So what? The books are continuing the Voyager story and the explanations in the "String Theory" books are plausible and also acceptable for the fans.

The decision to bring in a Borg character or a "sexy babe" was made in the middle of season 3 (finally they decided to bring in a sexy babe Borg character) but it wasn't decided who should be kicked out. The first choice was obviously Kim but when that silly poll among the staff of amagazine showed him as one of "the 50 most handsome", they decided to dump Kes instead. Therefore the flawed, unrealistic story in "The Gift".

The events in "Cold Fire" had nothing at all to do with "Fury", it actually contradicts the events in "Fury because in "Cold Fire" Kes overcame Tanis's temptations with her strong will and saved the ship at the same time, thus showing that she had the will and strength to overcome evil temptation.

Kes was the last one of the ship's crew who could become some crazy idiot.

I've also read kimc's statement and I have to disagree with it.

Whatever happened to Kes after leaving Voyager, there were no reasons at all for her to blame Janeway and her other crewmates.

First of all, Kes joined the Voyager crew of her own free will.

Second, she wanted to explore space and learn.

Third, she loved her life on Voyager and her crewmates, something which we could see in allthe episodes in seasons 1-3. She would rather have sacrificed herself than to harm them.

And don't forget that Janeway saved Kes's life on two occasions, first when they rescued her from the Kazon (OK, Neelix staged that rescue attempt but it would have been impossible without Janeway and the Voyager crew) and then in "Sacred Ground".

Besides that, Janeway was a friend who Kes could turn to if or when she had any problem. There were no reasons for Kes to become hostile against Janeway. Only an idiot would blame Janeway and Kes was definitely no idiot.

I must say that I still wonder how someone could come up with such a flawed, downright idiotic plot as the one in "Fury". It must have been an idiot or a sadist who really hated the character, or both.
 
You're wrong in your assumptions.

Kes was set on having children in "Elogium" but accepted that the elogium was a false one and that it would be possible for her to have children in a later state of her life. She never complained about it or even mention it later on so there is no eveidence at all that she was upset in any way or that it would trigger the ridiculous events in "Fury".

Kes had a crush on Zahir in "Darkling" but in the end she decided to stay on the ship because she wanted to stay with her close friends. Once again, there is no evidence anywhere that she regretted that decision.

It has never been stated that the events in "Cold Fire" were part of some plan to get rid of Kes. If it had been, I'm sure that Berman, Braga and Taylor would have mentioned that in their excuses for getting rid of the character. It's more likely that the decision to get rid of Kes was a very quick one, considering the many flaws and the unrealistic scenario in "The Gift".

The pathetic, ridiculous wreck we did see in the horrible episode "Fury" had no resemblance at all with the real Kes. The reasons brought up for her wanting some sort of revenge on her crewmates is downright ridiculous and adownright shame for anything which has something to do with decent Star Trek writing. The real Kes would rather have sacrificed her own life than to harm any of her crewmates. Besides that, the "String Theory" books have come up with a plausible explanation what the pathetic creature we saw in "Fury" really was.
Everybody knows the books aren't canon.

Getting rid of Kes wasn't a quick one considering there had to be try outs from other actors for the roll of Seven of Nine. Many fans in America knew by the end of 2rd season someone would be leaving the cast. We knew by the middle of 3rd it would be Kes. So it took considerable time to plot it all out. So the abilities she's shown in "Coldfire" are the same exact abilites that cause the character to leave, the writers just tied it all in. That in of itself is crystal clear. B&B&T didn't need to mention it, we all saw it for ourselves on TV.

I think kimc explains Kes' reason in "Fury" rather nicely. I suggest you debate her about that issue. However, if no evidence is given about Kes being unhappy not having a child or life outside of Voyager, I don't see why anybody should accept Kes in "Fury" wasn't her either because the same rules applies.

So what? The books are continuing the Voyager story and the explanations in the "String Theory" books are plausible and also acceptable for the fans.

The decision to bring in a Borg character or a "sexy babe" was made in the middle of season 3 (finally they decided to bring in a sexy babe Borg character) but it wasn't decided who should be kicked out. The first choice was obviously Kim but when that silly poll among the staff of amagazine showed him as one of "the 50 most handsome", they decided to dump Kes instead. Therefore the flawed, unrealistic story in "The Gift".

The events in "Cold Fire" had nothing at all to do with "Fury", it actually contradicts the events in "Fury because in "Cold Fire" Kes overcame Tanis's temptations with her strong will and saved the ship at the same time, thus showing that she had the will and strength to overcome evil temptation.
That's not what written in the script when she talks about it to Tuvok at the end of the ep.

She says and I quote: "My powers let out my dark impulses, I don't like that side of myself and will never use my powers again."

In which Tuvok replies: "You shouldn't be afraid of your dark impulses because we all have them. They are an aspect of yourself you must learn to control."

If anybody has the transcripts or rewatches the ep., can see for themselves.

I will also say on that note this has gone way off topic than it needs too.
 
Everybody knows the books aren't canon.

Getting rid of Kes wasn't a quick one considering there had to be try outs from other actors for the roll of Seven of Nine. Many fans in America knew by the end of 2rd season someone would be leaving the cast. We knew by the middle of 3rd it would be Kes. So it took considerable time to plot it all out. So the abilities she's shown in "Coldfire" are the same exact abilites that cause the character to leave, the writers just tied it all in. That in of itself is crystal clear. B&B&T didn't need to mention it, we all saw it for ourselves on TV.

I think kimc explains Kes' reason in "Fury" rather nicely. I suggest you debate her about that issue. However, if no evidence is given about Kes being unhappy not having a child or life outside of Voyager, I don't see why anybody should accept Kes in "Fury" wasn't her either because the same rules applies.

So what? The books are continuing the Voyager story and the explanations in the "String Theory" books are plausible and also acceptable for the fans.

The decision to bring in a Borg character or a "sexy babe" was made in the middle of season 3 (finally they decided to bring in a sexy babe Borg character) but it wasn't decided who should be kicked out. The first choice was obviously Kim but when that silly poll among the staff of amagazine showed him as one of "the 50 most handsome", they decided to dump Kes instead. Therefore the flawed, unrealistic story in "The Gift".

The events in "Cold Fire" had nothing at all to do with "Fury", it actually contradicts the events in "Fury because in "Cold Fire" Kes overcame Tanis's temptations with her strong will and saved the ship at the same time, thus showing that she had the will and strength to overcome evil temptation.
That's not what written in the script when she talks about it to Tuvok at the end of the ep.

She says and I quote: "My powers let out my dark impulses, I don't like that side of myself and will never use my powers again."

In which Tuvok replies: "You shouldn't be afraid of your dark impulses because we all have them. They are an aspect of yourself you must learn to control."

If anybody has the transcripts or rewatches the ep., can see for themselves.

I will also say on that note this has gone way off topic than it needs too.

Yes, you re absolutely right! That's exactly the conversation Kes and Tuvok had at the end of "Cold Fire".

And that's exactly what Kes did! She followed Tuvok's advices and learned to control her dark impulses. Besides that, her powers decreased when Tanis wasn't around anymore, she couldn't move the teacup or boil the tea any longer.

In "Warlord" she was possessed by Tieran and couldn't control what Tieran was doing. Despite that, she fought him and was able to free herself with a little help from her friends. Even then she showed her incredible willpower when it came to not surrender to evil forces.
 
I think having Tom in sickbay did give him another dimension. Since he's almost as snarky as the Doc, it made for some funny exchanges. The best was when Tom made fun of Doc's holonovel, "Photons Be Free," with an off-the-wall parody of the Doctor's grumpy bedside manner.

I also think having Kes solely work as a nurse limited her character a bit. I would've liked to see her be more of a jack of all trades, owing to her insatiable curiousity, volunteering for duty shifts all over the ship, including engineering and maybe a few turns at tactical.

Red Ranger
 
Woo hoo! I love how my thread has gone waaay off topic... no seriously, I love it! It's a great debate. So here are my own two cents... and I was never a huge Kes fan (unless it was long haired funky looking Kes lol) - but 'Fury' DID seem to be waaay off, and was hard to believe, since Kes had been such a 'nice' almost too nice character in the past.... so no, I wasn't a fan of 'Fury'.
Out of curiosity, when Jennifer agreed to come back for one episode - would she have had to 'sign up' before she saw the script? Has she ever spoken about Fury? Could she have said no?
 
Woo hoo! I love how my thread has gone waaay off topic... no seriously, I love it! It's a great debate. So here are my own two cents... and I was never a huge Kes fan (unless it was long haired funky looking Kes lol) - but 'Fury' DID seem to be waaay off, and was hard to believe, since Kes had been such a 'nice' almost too nice character in the past.... so no, I wasn't a fan of 'Fury'.
Out of curiosity, when Jennifer agreed to come back for one episode - would she have had to 'sign up' before she saw the script? Has she ever spoken about Fury? Could she have said no?

I don't know if she did sign up before seeing the script. What I do know is that she didn't like the end of the story where Kes should have been killed off (now wouldn't that have been a "nice gift" from those in charge to the Kes fans who wanted her back as a main character for the rest of the series?) so she persuaded them to change that.

She has made some lame comments about the episode, just like those official statements you often see, like "it was nice to be back, everything's great and everybody is happy".

But she also appreciated a story very much which a fan sent to her where the creature in "Fury" was described as an evil entity created by Suspiria and where the real Kes returned to Voyager to correct those things.
 
Guys this thread is veering way too far off topic. There's a Fury/Kes thread going on now so let's take that conversation there. Thanks.
 
Harry? Are you serious? Paris and the Doc had a great rapport. It would be mindnumbing dull if Harry worked with him.
Paris and the Doctor may have interacted well together, but the thing about making Paris a nurse conflicts with in-universe considerations: one of the times the Doctor is most likely to need a nurse is when the ship is in combat; but Paris is needed on the bridge, piloting, during those times exactly.

So whatever the actor interactions are like ... it really would be more logical if one of the characters who doesn't actually have anything to do, like Kim or Chakotay, had the nursing duties. (More logical still if it were one of the 144 crew we never see that did it, but I accept that the realities of television production are that you give as much work to the people in the opening credits as you can.)
 
Harry? Are you serious? Paris and the Doc had a great rapport. It would be mindnumbing dull if Harry worked with him.
Paris and the Doctor may have interacted well together, but the thing about making Paris a nurse conflicts with in-universe considerations: one of the times the Doctor is most likely to need a nurse is when the ship is in combat; but Paris is needed on the bridge, piloting, during those times exactly.

Thats exactly what I mean... I just couldnt put it as eloquently as you! :lol:
 
Paris as the nurse always seemed weird to me. Surely there was someone else on board with more medical training? Also he was this faboo pilot and needed on the bridge--if your choice is the Best Pilot or a nurse to stop people from dying in a crisis what do you pick? And why did we never see this dilemma?

I can't think of a single Paris line that ever indicated he had medical knowledge. His nurse role was very undeveloped.
 
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