That's just a new setting, like Deep Space Nine or the Delta Quadrant.
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Indeed Nemesis was a tragic mistake - I enjoyed TNG crew together, and the Nemesis theme could have been played out in miniseries form much better - and in more detail.
It was a bit more than a setting - although I can see your point.. They could have done a better job of it - but the politics, and such - would have been more boring than it would have been worth. After all, we didn't even get to see Archer's finishing speech... and they killed Trip - for no reason other than to shock the 5 people still religiously watching the series every time it aired.
To be fair, Enemy Mine has been ripped off dozens of times. ENT can hardly be blamed for that.
It's just a setting. A new place to tell stories. Some of which have been told before.
We don't need to see every detail. Archer's Speech, The Battle of Axanar and all those other off screen moments only matter when the writers want them too. They are throw away moments to fill out the narrative at hand
I would suppose it all depends on perspective... I thought it was a new take on it.. No Federation, very little rules, Archer was winging it for the most part.. Kirk and the rest all had protocols, guidelines, directives, and such to call on... There was a large fleet for support (sometimes) and there was an enormous database with which to rely on.. Archer only had what information the Vulcans had, very little support outside of Earth's system and maybe Vulcan in an emergency (been a long time since I have watched the entire thing) and very few allies.. - but I digress. As I said - I do see your point. But disagree to an extent.
But those only matter when the narrative calls for it. If the story calls for Archer, Kirk, Picard, Sisko or even Janeway to meet meet/need another ship ( or the fleet) they will appear. The rules and regulations are there for characters to cite and then break.I would suppose it all depends on perspective... I thought it was a new take on it.. No Federation, very little rules, Archer was winging it for the most part.. Kirk and the rest all had protocols, guidelines, directives, and such to call on... There was a large fleet for support (sometimes) and there was an enormous database with which to rely on.. Archer only had what information the Vulcans had, very little support outside of Earth's system and maybe Vulcan in an emergency (been a long time since I have watched the entire thing) and very few allies.. - but I digress. As I said - I do see your point. But disagree to an extent.
If you strictly look at the entire Universe as one large plot device, then yes... The writers could have made 400 NX warp 5 ships if they wanted... Or Janeway could have found a battlegroup stranded in the Delta Quadrant from X, Y or Z incident... I am looking at the stories for what they were in fiction.. Not the reality of it..
If I did that - I wouldn't be on a Trek board debating parts of Trek that no one else would even think about.
That's just it, they are fiction.
Enterprise really wasn't much different. Archer still followed a nom-interference directive, only this one was instituted by the Vulcans.
The ship had access to the Vulcan Database, which was basically an in-depth Wiki of the region of space Vulcan had charted which does cover most of the territory the NX-01 travelled, aside from the Delphic Expanse. And they were always bumping into Vulcan ships, or could call upon assistance from a Vulcan ship if needed. Hell, a Vulcan ship even popped up in the Expanse.
That's just it, it's a story that's already been told a dozen times. Although, Dawn was considered by many to be a bit too close to Enemy Mine. I remember after it aired someone said "I tuned into UPN to watch Enterprise, but they were showing Enemy Mine instead."
Yes they are fiction - built in their own universe and left as they stand... Yes obviously they are all written and directed... Only a my 4 year old thinks what he sees on TV is real...
Yes - true... But it would seem to me we are merely arguing semantics at this point.. He was still fresh on the seen introducing many to humans for the first time - the idea of Starfleet etc was new.. However point taken.. Albeit begrudgingly - it can be seen as the pre-Prime Directive.
As I said it has been ages since I have seen the entire series front to back - I must again and maybe pay more attention to the details beyond the Xindi story arch... But I do remember that many times Enterprise was alone facing many challenges...
But indeed as you said, it did not cover much that the Vulcans did not know about - at least partially. I forgot about the rather frequent Vulcan encounters... Which I might point out, did not happen as much as time went on in later (Trek time wise) Series..
The point is, at times we have to discuss it as fiction. And as such it's a universe full of holes and contradictions. And you cant isolate one part of the fictional universe from the other, because the past iterations inform the present ones.Yes they are fiction - built in their own universe and left as they stand... Yes obviously they are all written and directed... Only a my 4 year old thinks what he sees on TV is real...
Regarding ENTERPRISE being "new" . .. there was, alas, a gaping chasm between the hype and the reality. ENTERPRISE was sold as a fresh new take on STAR TREK: faster, sexier, a little rougher around the edges, but it felt like . . . more of the same, just with slightly different window dressing. Heck, they couldn't even get through the first season without the obligatory Ferengi episode.
Don't get me wrong. I like the Ferengi. "Little Green Men" is one of my favorite DS9 eps and so is "House of Quark." But how "new" could ENTERPRISE feel when it was falling back on the old, reliable staples before the first season was over?
Don't get me wrong. I like the Ferengi. "Little Green Men" is one of my favorite DS9 eps and so is "House of Quark." But how "new" could ENTERPRISE feel when it was falling back on the old, reliable staples before the first season was over?
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first couple of seasons ENT felt more a prequel to TNG – sets, the uniforms, ferregi, borg/FC..almost as if TOS was being phased out of the continuity..
Enterprise had its mistakes, definitely. It wasn't until I went back and watched it without having watched any other Trek and a lot of it clicked.
The crew makes a lot of rookie mistakes and comes off as amateurish. But then it hit me... They are. Archer spends the first season putting down T'Pol's non interference and other guidance and diving headlong into whatever dilemma they hit. It's not until later in the season and in season 2 that Archer starts to follow T'Pol's advice.
"Fortunate Son" goes from being a mediocre episode to a thought provoking one when you realize that the freighter crew and the Naussicans are right about one thing: Enterprise has no jurisdiction over the raiders or the freighters. We just naturally assume that there's a structure in place and that Enterprise has a part in it.
I really think that Enterprise suffered from Trek over-exposure and the expectations that we'd seen with Kirk, Picard, et al. They look really incompetent but only when compared to the established heroes and roles that we were used to.
The crew makes a lot of rookie mistakes and comes off as amateurish. But then it hit me... They are. Archer spends the first season putting down T'Pol's non interference and other guidance and diving headlong into whatever dilemma they hit. It's not until later in the season and in season 2 that Archer starts to follow T'Pol's advice.
"Fortunate Son" goes from being a mediocre episode to a thought provoking one when you realize that the freighter crew and the Naussicans are right about one thing: Enterprise has no jurisdiction over the raiders or the freighters. We just naturally assume that there's a structure in place and that Enterprise has a part in it.
I really think that Enterprise suffered from Trek over-exposure and the expectations that we'd seen with Kirk, Picard, et al. They look really incompetent but only when compared to the established heroes and roles that we were used to.
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