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I find that an offensive idea. Death is not "prestigious." It's a sad and ugly and arbitrary thing.
It's also (sometimes) heroic and meaningful.

Tahsa (as pointed out) died doing her duty, protecting others and attempting to rescue Troi. Kirk died saving millions of people he never met, it's not like he fell off a ladder while cleaning leaves out of the gutters.
Shatner returns as Kirk? Would be great but how could they retcon that with his death in Generations?
Reanimated by the (novel-verse) Borg?
No Shatner please, time to move on
Already feel the same way about Burnham.
 
I find that an offensive idea. Death is not "prestigious." It's a sad and ugly and arbitrary thing. Dressing it up and pretending it's something glamorous and cool is dishonest.

Kirk gave his life saving others. He did his duty. That's all that would matter to him. It's already as "proper" as it could be.

Besides, "Yesterday's Enterprise" totally bungled its attempt to give Tasha a "better" death. First of all, the idea that there was anything pointless or unworthy about Tasha's death is offensive. She gave her life trying to save someone else. That's a noble and worthwhile thing even if she failed. Saying that it was pointless because she didn't succeed is an insult to every firefighter or police officer or rescue worker who died trying to save lives. Armus killing her was pointless, but Tasha giving her life was not. "Skin of Evil" portrayed the cold, arbitrary reality of death honestly rather than dressing it up with deceptive glamor and spectacle. Then "Yesterday's Enterprise" came along and tried to give Tasha a more "noble" death by sending her back in time -- but then "Redemption" gave her a far more ignoble, awful fate by saying that she was captured and raped and sexually enslaved to her captor for years... and then got killed trying and failing to save her own daughter, so basically she still died the same way anyway, but in a way that was far, far more degrading to her. By trying to make her death "better," they made it infinitely worse.

So, no, thank you. A "Yesterday's Enterprise" treatment for Kirk's death is not something I want to see.

I totally agree on may fronts. I have no desire to see a remake of any sort.

Also- quite honestly, "Yesterday's Enterprise" is a very small, localized story. It has nothing even approaching the scope needed for a major motion picture in this day and age.
 
Tahsa (as pointed out) died doing her duty, protecting others and attempting to rescue Troi. Kirk died saving millions of people he never met, it's not like he fell off a ladder while cleaning leaves out of the gutters.

The problem with Kirk's death isn't that he gave his life saving millions of people. The problem is that he died in a shitty movie. Ideally he would have survived Generations and be given a better death later on, but that didn't happen. Bringing him back to life now so that a 90 year old William Shatner can have one last cameo in the next movie is also shitty. We're stuck with what we have.
 
The problem with Kirk's death isn't that he gave his life saving millions of people. The problem is that he died in a shitty movie. Ideally he would have survived Generations and be given a better death later on, but that didn't happen. Bringing him back to life now so that a 90 year old William Shatner can have one last cameo in the next movie is also shitty. We're stuck with what we have.

That’s highly subjective. I find Generations highly watchable and one of my favourites, I’d rather Kirk died on his own ships bridge, not under a twisted footbridge, but it is what is.
 
I think Tarantino's film, if it used "Yesterday's Enterprise", would probably have several other subplots involved to pad out the story. Only thing is, I don't know how that would translate into his style.

The story that would translate into Quentin Tarantino's style, I think, is what happened after "Yesterday's Enterprise" in the 2340s, when Tasha Yar was captured, Castillo is killed, and then Tasha's forcibly married to a Romulan who rapes her, and then makes her raise Sela, before she tries to escape and is executed. Then all that's left in Sela is Romulan. This is the story as told by Sela to Picard in "Redemption, Part II".

You could also have flashbacks to Tasha's own youth on Turkana IV: a lawless colony, filled with drug usage, and where there actually were rape gangs (all referred to in "Code of Honor", "Where No One Has Gone Before", and "Symbiosis").

That sounds more up Quentin Tarantino's alley and gives the film a Kill Bill vibe.
 
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I think Tarantino's film, if it used "Yesterday's Enterprise", would probably have several other subplots involved to pad out the story. Only thing is, I don't know how that would translate into his style.

The story that would translate into Quentin Tarantino's style, I think, is what happened after "Yesterday's Enterprise" in the 2340s, when Tasha Yar was captured, Castillo is killed, and then Tasha's forcibly married to a Romulan who rapes her, and then makes her raise Sela, before she tries to escape and is executed. Then all that's left in Sela is Romulan. This is the story as told by Sela to Picard in "Redemption, Part II".

You could also have flashbacks to Tasha's own youth on Turkana IV: a lawless colony, filled with drug usage, and where there actually were rape gangs (all referred to in "Code of Honor", "Where No One Has Gone Before", and "Symbiosis").

That sounds more up Quentin Tarantino's alley and gives the film a Kill Bill vibe.
He could use the premise of the movie for something entirely different, the same reasons why people don't want to see Shatner is about the same I don't want to see Tasha again. Not one of my most likeable characters. You could have an entirely new story like Sulu and his Excelsior go back and rescue Shatner from the Nexus and in him coming out he would instantly age to what he is now - very doable.
 
If so, then that will be the future of the big screen franchise: Kirk/Spock Trek will be endlessly re-booted throughout a limitless number of new timelines....James Bond with a sci-fantasy twist. That approach inherently creates some of its own problems and limits though.

It's an approach to franchise film-making that I haven't seen attempted. Every film is unconnected to the last, so every one has full creative freedom and no continuity issues. DC should have gone this route with their films, as a polar opposite to Marvel. It's the Elseworlds concept writ large. I suppose if you find one really connects with audiences then you can make a franchise out of it.
 
It's an approach to franchise film-making that I haven't seen attempted. Every film is unconnected to the last, so every one has full creative freedom and no continuity issues.

The closest equivalent to that I can think of is the Millennium series of Godzilla films. After Toho licensed the movie rights to TriStar, they intended to wait until TriStar had done a trilogy, then resume their own series in time for the 50th anniversary in 2004. But the first TriStar film flopped in 1998, so Toho hastily remounted its own Godzilla series. As a result, they employed a sort of "audition" process -- each of the first three Millennium films was from a different team and set in a different reality, and the plan was to see which one got the best audience response and then continue it. Instead, though, they picked the team from the second film and had them start a fourth alternate reality (that wasn't nearly as good). That one ran for two films but didn't do well at the box office, so they dropped it and created a fifth alternate reality (their seventh overall) for the 50th-anniversary film, then ended the series.

And more recently, they rebooted yet again with Shin Godzilla -- their eighth continuity and the first that didn't include the original 1954 film as part of its backstory -- and though they do intend to continue it, their licensing deal with Legendary requires them to hold off making more live-action Godzilla until the deal expires in 2020, so they've been doing a Godzilla anime trilogy in a ninth distinct continuity.


Of course, for most of cinematic history, film sequels had only tenuous connections to their predecessors and freely rewrote their continuity. Try watching the Universal Frankenstein films in sequence sometime. Frankenstein's lab is in a remote windmill in the woods in the first two movies, in a structure on his estate's grounds in the third, and within the castle itself in the fourth. A location that was the site of Frankenstein's son's home in two movies is retconned into the site of the original experiments in the next. And the lead characters were recast with abandon, leads like Bela Lugosi and Lon Chaney swapping around roles from one film to the next, whereas Lionel Atwill appeared in five consecutive films as a different character each time. There was the pretense of continuity, but it never impeded the films from going their own ways.

Then there are the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce Sherlock Holmes films. The first two made by 20th Century Fox in 1939 were set in the Victorian Era, but when Universal took over the series in 1942, they changed the setting to the present day and had Holmes take on Nazi saboteurs and spies in the first few movies, with only an opening title card explaining the timelessness of Holmes as a character.

Even Star Trek started out this way on film. The Wrath of Khan reused sets, miniatures, props, and stock footage from TMP for budgetary reasons, but the filmmakers were implicitly ignoring TMP and making their movie as if the previous film had never happened. There were elements of a soft reboot in TNG as well. It was later productions that tied them all together more closely.
 
He could use the premise of the movie for something entirely different, the same reasons why people don't want to see Shatner is about the same I don't want to see Tasha again. Not one of my most likeable characters. You could have an entirely new story like Sulu and his Excelsior go back and rescue Shatner from the Nexus and in him coming out he would instantly age to what he is now - very doable.

William Shatner and George Takei in the same movie? These days? Ummmm.... Wow. I'd feel bad for anyone working on that movie. The pay would have to be good.

I think a William Shatner and Patrick Stewart team-up would be far more likely (if they went that route), and would make for a more enjoyable set.
 
The biggest question of these two film projects being in production at the same time is whether or not ST4 is intended to be a conclusion story to the Kelvinverse franchise.

Hopefully, Paramount is trying to create a franchise model similar to Star Wars where one series of Saga films (Kirk/Spock) exists alongside another series of stand-alone films with a variety of high profile creators (Tarantino, etc.).
 
I think Tarantino's film, if it used "Yesterday's Enterprise", would probably have several other subplots involved to pad out the story.

This. If he adapts Yesterday's Enterprise it will only carry over the general synopsis and be a completely unique experience with many interesting side-tangents the way he always does it. I have a feeling it won't be Yesterday's Enterprise, however, because it would require recasting TNG. If that were in the cards I think we'd have gotten more hints along those lines, but hey, anything's possible.
 
This. If he adapts Yesterday's Enterprise it will only carry over the general synopsis and be a completely unique experience with many interesting side-tangents the way he always does it. I have a feeling it won't be Yesterday's Enterprise, however, because it would require recasting TNG. If that were in the cards I think we'd have gotten more hints along those lines, but hey, anything's possible.

The concept on Yesterday's Enterprise could be applied to any crew, etc. so could be TOS Kirk Spock (which QT is reportedly a TOS guy) TOS'S nrw ship crew, TNG, etc.

Guess we'll find out, but I'm excited to see what he produces
 
The biggest question of these two film projects being in production at the same time is whether or not ST4 is intended to be a conclusion story to the Kelvinverse franchise.

I doubt it. Giving Tarantino a standalone strikes me as a way to indulge a celebrity director's pet project by giving him full creative control over it, while they go on doing their own thing with the main franchise.

Besides, as we've seen many times over the past few years, studios' franchise plans aren't set in stone but evolve in response to success or failure. A film that was intended to launch a whole cinematic universe can flop and lead to the cancellation of its planned sequels, or a film that was intended to be the end of a series can be such a hit that the studio commissions a sequel right away. If ST (1)4 does well enough, there will be more Kelvin.
 
Be careful what you wish for: if they do perform this wished-for un-boot of the JJverse (and I hope not), it's not going to suddenly be TOS. It's going to be another visual reboot.
 
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Be careful what you wish for: if they do perform this wished-for un-boot of the JJverse (and I hope not), it's not going to suddenly be TOS. It's going to be another visual reboot.
And when their reimagined Prime Universe Enterprise is different to Discovery's reimagined Prime Universe Enterprise, the internet melts down forever:lol:
 
Hopefully, Paramount is trying to create a franchise model similar to Star Wars where one series of Saga films (Kirk/Spock) exists alongside another series of stand-alone films with a variety of high profile creators (Tarantino, etc.).
i hope you're right, but it seems more like WB's DC offshoots (the scorsese joker movie being unrelated to the DCEU, etc) or even fox's X-universe containing films like deadpool which are loosely tied to the larger X-men franchise and logan which is entirely independent.
 
Hopefully, Paramount is trying to create a franchise model similar to Star Wars where one series of Saga films (Kirk/Spock) exists alongside another series of stand-alone films with a variety of high profile creators (Tarantino, etc.).
Either that, or QT's movie will be the Never Say Never Again of the Trek franchise.
 
Ever since the Kelvin reboot, I've considered it inevitable that we'd eventually get other, fuller reboots and new continuities for Trek. After all, plenty of other long-running franchises make entirely fresh starts from time to time and have multiple incompatible versions -- Batman, Spider-Man, Sherlock Holmes, Godzilla, etc. So if this Tarantino thing gets made and is a third distinct continuity -- or a second entirely independent reality, without an alternate-timeline excuse -- I doubt it will be the last.
 
Tarantino is not going to work inside character boundaries that have been around for 50+ years (the Kirk crew). He’s going to do something original, it’s just the kind of filmmaker he is. I’d bet good money it will be a ship and characters we’ve never seen and will never see again if not for a kill bill part 2 type deal. I think he just wants to play in an established sandbox so to speak.
 
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