Parallel Universe episode?

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  1. Oddish

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    I want to see Janeway's face when she discovers that in one of those parallels, she spared Tuvix. He then helped Tom work out the bugs (lizards?) in his warp drive. Result, Voyager home in six hours, Janeway finds Mark still single, and the whole galaxy is suddenly at Starfleet's fingertips.

    Worf seemed intelligent enough. Just not given to subtlety.
     
  2. at Quark's

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    I agree, B'Elanna also is clever enough, but might (just like Worf) get really frustrated at some point with it all. I also could see Neelix in that role (serving the Captain what she told him is her favourite dish, only to see the utterly revolted look on her face and her her say that's the one thing she can't keep down). But he might never figure out what is actually happening to him....

    Or that reality where she was never de-assimilated after Unimatrix Zero (not to permanently stay in that reality though).
     
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  3. somebuddyx

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    The Voyager novel Echoes had a bunch of similar alternate universes in them, kind of like a Parallels than anything approaching a Mirror, Mirror, but the storyline in that was really interesting.
     
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  4. WarpTenLizard

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    I'm so used to seeing alternate universes in Voyager novels that I never noticed the never appear onscreen--despite the show's fascination with alternate reality scenarios. They did alternate timelines, holodeck episodes, duplicates and dreams/daydreams, but never a straight on parallel universe. Now I feel cheated.
     
  5. F. King Daniel

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    Isn't a parallel universe just an alternate timeline where we didn't see the divergence point?
     
  6. Oddish

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    Probably. I wonder where or when the ISS universe's timeline diverged.
     
  7. at Quark's

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    If the intro of In a mirror, Darkly is an indication, probably far back in history. (Though of course a lot of history in 'our' Trek universe was extremely violent as well, and the intro is just putting more emphasis on those violent episodes). The earliest point of unambiguous departure I see would be that man planting that Terran empire flag on the moon in that intro so it would have to be before that.

    (Haven't seen any of the newer series though, perhaps there's material in them I don't know about).
     
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  8. somebuddyx

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    This is just me but the way I differentiate them is alternate timeline is when they change the prime timeline and then change it back ie Back to the Future 2, "Yesterday's Enterprise"; alternate universe is when you have universes in a cluster that might have all diverged from a similar starting point ie what you see in TNG "Parallels", the Red/Blue universes from Fringe, the universes in Counterpart, Clark Kent/Clark Luthor universes in Smallville; and then a parallel universe is where you might have two universes with similar stories crossover but there is no divergence points for them ie Brandon Routh Superman meeting Tyler Hoechlin Superman; BSG 78 meeting BSG 2003; Ultimate Marvel and Marvel 616. But I've only used this in writing, when I've been trying to make things clear for me so I know what I'm referencing. I think if it were in a story or in dialogue I'd use alternate and parallel universe interchangeable.
     
  9. Oddish

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    The novelization of the Mirror Universe had a much bloodier version of Shakespeare, suggesting divergence occured well before space flight.
     
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    ^ Well, you can't truly appreciate Shakespeare if you haven't read it in the original Klingon, after all :)

    It's a matter of preference of course, but I usually take only on-screen (canon) materials into consideration. Anyway, it diverging much earlier than the point in time I mentioned doesn't contradict anything as far as I know, so it could very well be possible, yes.
     
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  11. Oddish

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    I wasn't declaring the time of the split canonical. Just offering one person's theory.
     
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  12. JirinPanthosa

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    I'm glad they didn't touch MU. They could have done a parallel universe episode, like the episode of Stargate where all kinds of different SG1s start showing up. They are experimenting with a new shortcut home and different Voyagers keep popping into this universe.

    Some with Captain Chak, some with Kes around, maybe one where Seska won and the crew is Kazon, one swarming with Borg. One that never even made it to DQ.
     
  13. Oddish

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    On the other side, one where Voyager stayed behind to help the Ocampa after the Caretaker died. With the need to expand their mental abilities restored, they soon regained the ability to do "The Gift" on a larger scale. Voyager was home in 6 months, with no further casualties.
     
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  14. Pierre

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    I think the entirety of Voyager was an alternate universe, they just didn't know. It would've been shocking to see Voyager get home and it be the Terran Empire!

    :)
     
  15. Oddish

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    I think Janeway would have done very well as a captain in the restored Imperial Terran Navy. I'd bet my left nut that after the Terran rebellion finally defeats the Klingon-Cardie alliance, they rebuild the old Empire.
     
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    There’s also “Relativity” where Seven kept messing up the timeline, to where there were like 7 or 8 Seven’s and Captain Braxton’s by the end of the episode in the 2800’s.
     
  17. darrenjl

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    An actual mirror universe episode would have to be a complete re-working of the Voyager concept so it would never make sense to the viewer. The only way it could happen 'in-universe' would be for an Alliance ship to be chasing a Rebels ship in the Badlands and both crews having to work together to get home. Maybe Janeway is first officer to a Captain Seska? Also Tuvok wouldn't be involved, maybe they took Neelix and Kes hostage and Seven of Nine is separated from the collective but under her own will and gives the Alliance ship help to get home in return for her own safe passage back to the Alpha Quadrant.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    The Voyager MU would probably be just like the original history told in Living Witness.

    I'm glad they didn't do a lot of alternate universe stuff in Voyager, they already had enough time travel stuff. But they could do some interesting things with it. A version of Voyager just slightly less moral. That gave technology to the Kazon to form an alliance. Not evil, but living in the DQ reality instead of trying to impose the Federation reality onto it.