Panoramas of Enterprise interior on official site

[Rii]

Good God's. When will the Storm troopers and Vader come around the corner?

Maybe if you squint your eyes?

I never would've thought that Star Wars would feature the more utilitarian design.

What is that guy on the bottom right looking at?

 

[Saul]

Ah! I thought so.

 

[number6]

Outside of CG spaceships, I doubt there's anything in that 'realm' you've done that I haven't, so your judgement here is as suspect as it is in all other things you trumpet. And editing my reply to make it seem I wasn't answering when I did should be warnable, even for ol' bulletproof you. Next time you try to thank someone for playing, why not try one-uping yourself first instead?

Which Star Trek episodes did you write?

We're talking about filmmaking here in this little exchange -- the 'realm' he called into question, in case you weren't paying attention -- so the question would be, 'what haven't you done? And the answer would be, not much. I've loaded and shot 16mm, processed ektachrome, edited using single and double system sound, designed and built forced perspective fullsize and miniature sets, written and directed films running from 1min up to 45 min, acted in a ton of them, and apart from the zero budget stuff, documented the making of many professional features for various mags.

EDIT ADDON: You should have followed Polaris' example and let this thread sink quietly below the horizon rather than dragging it back up, it ain't gonna put you in any decent light this time.

I don't take orders from you.

But Dennis is right about one thing: Your "qualifications" don't make your opinion more valid than someone else's.

I do respect Dennis' insight about Star Trek a lot more than I do yours because he was actually behind those scenes and likely has a more accurate perspective of how things get done and who does what.


With that, I'll leave you all to continue arguing about how Abrams has "remade" Star Wars, man. Woo Hoo Hoo.

 

[Saul]

Which Star Trek episodes did you write?

We're talking about filmmaking here in this little exchange -- the 'realm' he called into question, in case you weren't paying attention -- so the question would be, 'what haven't you done? And the answer would be, not much. I've loaded and shot 16mm, processed ektachrome, edited using single and double system sound, designed and built forced perspective fullsize and miniature sets, written and directed films running from 1min up to 45 min, acted in a ton of them, and apart from the zero budget stuff, documented the making of many professional features for various mags.

EDIT ADDON: You should have followed Polaris' example and let this thread sink quietly below the horizon rather than dragging it back up, it ain't gonna put you in any decent light this time.

I don't take orders from you.

But Dennis is right about one thing: Your "qualifications" don't make your opinion more valid than someone else's.

I do respect Dennis' insight about Star Trek a lot more than I do yours because he was actually behind those scenes and likely has a more accurate perspective of how things get done and who does what.

Doesn't mean his comments are of any more worth than the rest of us and I find nothing insightful in his endless venom towards fans and their views. There are other Star Trek writers, producers, artists on this board who have far more dignity and respect.

 

[Kirk1980]

I don't care who JJ and company crib their design ideas from.

The sets still look pretty silly to me for supposedly being more 'real'.

 

[number6]

We're talking about filmmaking here in this little exchange -- the 'realm' he called into question, in case you weren't paying attention -- so the question would be, 'what haven't you done? And the answer would be, not much. I've loaded and shot 16mm, processed ektachrome, edited using single and double system sound, designed and built forced perspective fullsize and miniature sets, written and directed films running from 1min up to 45 min, acted in a ton of them, and apart from the zero budget stuff, documented the making of many professional features for various mags.

EDIT ADDON: You should have followed Polaris' example and let this thread sink quietly below the horizon rather than dragging it back up, it ain't gonna put you in any decent light this time.

I don't take orders from you.

But Dennis is right about one thing: Your "qualifications" don't make your opinion more valid than someone else's.

I do respect Dennis' insight about Star Trek a lot more than I do yours because he was actually behind those scenes and likely has a more accurate perspective of how things get done and who does what.

Doesn't mean his comments are of any more worth than the rest of us and I find nothing insightful in his endless venom towards fans and their views.

His comments certainly have the weight of an experience none of us have, and frankly some of that "venom" is well deserved.

There are other Star Trek writers, producers, artists on this board who have far more dignity and respect.

Some of them know enough to stay out of some threads and some fans are unwilling or unable to be respectful. It goes both ways.

 

[Psion]

Outside of CG spaceships, I doubt there's anything in that 'realm' you've done that I haven't, so your judgement [sic] here...

So outside of the things I've done that you haven't done, there's nothing I've done that you haven't done? Got it.

Out of sincere curiosity, given that I have a lot of respect for the things I know you've done already, what have you done that Trevanian didn't cover? In the "realm of film", of course. Right or wrong, I've seen you over the years as one of the lucky few fans who actually got involved in the official production, and one of the talented few who produced interesting stuff outside of that same production.

I'm strictly an amateur in these regards, but a friend of mine is a huge movie buff who enjoys corralling her friends into really low-budget productions every few months that typically revolve around guns, martial arts, and zombies. I'm the makeup guy primarily, although I also act in each, edit the scripts, handle the sound, and sometimes provide digital effects. Sometimes our work is actually watchable, and we've placed well in 48 Hour film festivals (although I swore off those after the first one). She refuses to do any "fan films", but I do have a couple of SF scripts in that we might produce after we get better.

I don't know about Trevanian's actual talent, but the list he provided makes it sound like he's got some experience to speak from, and the put-downs he's been receiving remind me of the same disrespect you were getting a few years ago from posters who doubted your CV.

Clifford Stoll wrote a book a decade or so ago entitled "Silicon Snakeoil" in which he likened conversations on the Internet to motorists speeding down the highway flipping each other off and generally engaging in rudeness they'd never have the guts to display if they stood face-to-face outside of their vehicles. While I don't agree with the neo-luddite tone of a lot of his book, this analogy stuck with me, because it's true. I try to pretend I'm a nice guy online and imagine I'm sitting across from the person I'm addressing, but I still can't resist a snarky tone now and then. Some folks seem to specialize in it.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Which Star Trek episodes did you write?

That particular bit lost any meaning a loooong time ago.

Dennis did not write the screenplay for "Tin Man." He co-wrote a short story which was then adapted into "Tin Man." And, in any case, "Tin Man" is, in my personal opinion, one of the more lackluster episodes of the series anyway.

Dennis has written quite a few scripts for fan-productions like "Starship Exeter." But, based upon the quality of those productions (hey, they're fun, I'll grant... but "high quality?" Not-so-much...) I'm not sure how that really counts, either.

Am I missing some other example?

Look... this isn't a rip on Dennis. If his ATTITUDE wasn't like it is, I'd probably have a whole lot more respect for the guy, because he is knowledgable about a number of areas, does have some (limited) experience in the industry, and is a damned fine CGI modeler. I just personally find that "Tin Man" isn't one of those things I'm personally even remotely impressed by.

The problem is one of attitude. The attitude which basically says "I know more than you and so I'll belittle you and mock you and pretend I'm cooler than you." Hell, regardless of whether (on one subject or another) that attitude may or may not be based upon fact (and it's not, at least as often as it is!)... the attitude itself is really obnoxious.

You don't belittle people, or people's opinions, as he so often seems to do. THAT is what bothers so many of us about his personal style.

You can usually tell the folks who are really able to speak as authorities on subjects, because they never fall back into the belittlement-of-others style. They don't NEED to, and they're more likely to discuss things in a polite and even helpful fashion... they don't have anything that they have to prove to themselves.

This doesn't mean that an expert doesn't argue, or doesn't correct. But they do so in an attempt to EDUCATE... to bring the rest of the discussion up to their level.

They don't take the tact of tearing other people down, to keep up the appearance of their being "the authority figure."

This BBS has LOTS of experts, on a variety of subjects. I'm an expert on a number, as are many of the rest of us. I'm certainly not an expert on EVERYTHING, but where I do have knowledge, I'm not shy about sharing. But I TRY to discuss, to educate, to share. Except when someone really gets under my skin, I very seldom dismiss them, much less mock them, as he's so prone to do.

My issues with him go back to his merciless and vicious flame-attack on a new board poster over a year ago now... one which also led to the animosity that PKTrekGirl has towards me. I challenged him over his behaviour towards this other poster... telling him he owed her an apology... and she attacked ME for daring to do so. Which was bullshit, but is par for the course with Dennis and several of the moderators on here. This is why so many of us see a "clique" on here, with Dennis at the center of it. There are some people who practically worship at the guy's feet and take his side on everything... including at least two moderators right here in this forum.

This little clique can say, or do, ANYTHING... and never get a second glance from the moderators. Members of this clique can engage in any form of attack they want... can use profile pics taken from pornography... can incorporate direct insults towards other posters in their signatures... ANYTHING... and they can do it. But other posters (not part of this little clique) will get warnings, or bannings, simply by RESPONDING to these folks. I've actually had M'Sharak tell me that once. I complained that I got a warning over responding, and his response was that I needed to not respond when attacked. My complaint at the time wasn't "I shouldn't have gotten a warning," it was that the person who'd attacked me DIDN'T GET ONE.

It's a real, serious problem on this BBS. And unfortunately, the "Dennis wrote an episode" thing seems to be at the core of it all. (sigh)

 

[cooleddie74]

Ah! I thought so.

I hear that the original Abrams edit of the movie had Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Ah! I thought so.

I hear that the original Abrams edit of the movie had Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost.

I also hear Kirk shoots first in the bar scene


On a different note, i may be the only one, but I'm really sick and tired of hearing the Polarises, the trevanians, the Robert Aprils of this board competing all the time on who is the biggest authority or who has the biggest qualifications penis.

Sigh...Is it May yet ?

 

[cooleddie74]

Everyone knows I'VE got the biggest qualifications penis.

Or is that cold sore?


I dunno anymore.

 

[miraclefan]

What white walls ? They look pretty yellowish (beige ?) to me
Definitely not bright white.






Shit, I hadn't thought of that

Now, I love the polished floor

Buddy, if you are going to say that those corridors don't look white, I'm going to have to say you're responsible for the bad rap the Trek XI forum is getting.

I've noticed that a few of the posters that we may possibly call 'gushers' are using this movie as a way of trying to show how 'open-minded' they are. We haven't seen the movie yet, so just let the people here say their piece about whether they like certain design aspects or not without analyzing why they think that way too much.

Buddy, we are not going to change the definition of white just because it suits someones argument.
It has nothing to do with open mindedness or the quality of the movie which for all I know could end up being complete crap.

This is bright and white and could cause seizures.

This is clearly not quite white.

As for the rest of your "gushers' argument, it doesn't even deserve a proper response even though you were quick to edit it.

Actually, the bottom picture LOOKS like the corridor has more of a CREAM color to it.

 

[Captain Pike]

Am I missing some other example?

TNG Episode First Contact.

 

[Rii]

Everyone knows I'VE got the biggest qualifications penis.

Or is that cold sore?


I dunno anymore.

If you can't tell the difference between your cold sore and your penis, I think, somewhere, you have a serious problem.

 

[ancient]

I am an expert in scriptwriting. When I was 14 I wrote a whole shitload of great fanfics, which I am going to dig out and reread right now.

*looks at them*

Yes...these long rambling technobabble infodumps will definitly get the publishers excited...

Hey! Abrams is ripping off my design for the USS TEH AWESOME!!1

 

[trevanian]

Outside of CG spaceships, I doubt there's anything in that 'realm' you've done that I haven't, so your judgement [sic] here...

So outside of the things I've done that you haven't done, there's nothing I've done that you haven't done? Got it.

You had to edit that comment? Geez, did it have anything in it before? Cuz it seems lacking now.

 

[Saul]

I don't take orders from you.

But Dennis is right about one thing: Your "qualifications" don't make your opinion more valid than someone else's.

I do respect Dennis' insight about Star Trek a lot more than I do yours because he was actually behind those scenes and likely has a more accurate perspective of how things get done and who does what.

Doesn't mean his comments are of any more worth than the rest of us and I find nothing insightful in his endless venom towards fans and their views.

His comments certainly have the weight of an experience none of us have,

Do we have to have street cred on this board for our opinions to count now? Shall we start putting up our resumes to see who's opinion counts most?

and frankly some of that "venom" is well deserved.

I think "some" is deserved. A lot isn't. Also, just because "some" is deserved doesn't mean he has to reply. I think you yourself dish out what you think is deserved often on his behalf.

There are other Star Trek writers, producers, artists on this board who have far more dignity and respect.

Some of them know enough to stay out of some threads

No, some of them are mature enough not to sink to other people's levels of insults or insulting the fan base as a whole. I have never seen anyone else in Trek's production get so personal or attack Star Trek fans as he has.

and some fans are unwilling or unable to be respectful. It goes both ways.

Indeed some fans are unwilling to be respectful but I don't think that will EVER change as long as he continues to hit back, make round about comments and take pleasure in attacking others interests. I think there are many normal members and members with Trek experience who show a fine example of not hitting back. I'm sure they might get pissed off at what they read sometimes but they are able to put themselves above such insulting remarks and be the Bigger man/Woman.

 

[number6]

^^ I certainly think a certain amount of cred is required when passing off opinion as fact, especially when it comes to (for example) making assumptions about what Berman did or didn't do, most of which is biased and heresay, without any real knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes. I would rather hear Mike Sussman's take on working for the Star Trek writing team than yours any day of the week. That Dennis seems to "sink" to whatever level you seem to think he does is certainly his perogative, just as it is your perogative to attack me for defending his right to do so. What I say in response is certainly my right. Your opinion of what I have to say won't change that. The fact that my opinion matters so little to you will not stop me from expressing myself here. You aren't any more the arbiter of what can and can't be said than I am. Last time I checked, your screenname isn't in green or yellow.

 

[cooleddie74]

Everyone knows I'VE got the biggest qualifications penis.

Or is that cold sore?


I dunno anymore.

If you can't tell the difference between your cold sore and your penis, I think, somewhere, you have a serious problem.

But my cold sores are ginormous, dammit.


I'm not helping my argument...am I?

 

[M'Sharak]

More discussion of ship-interior panoramas or design aesthetics, please, and less street-cred dick-measuring. All opinions are hereby decreed to be of equal merit (even the arrogant or mind-bogglingly stupid ones.)

And I'm trying not to think at all about eddie's cold sores, crappitycrapcrapcrap...